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I have 2 comments on this based on my and my husbands experience.
== First, I have successfully survived the Christmas cold and head congestion while maintaining the use of my CPAP nightly and not needing antibiotics. With the onset of the cold I washed my face mask (nasal pillows) daily. I also use a nasal saline rinse twice a day (yes this really does work) and used OTC meds, cough suppressant, antihistamine and expectorant. The expectorant (guiafensin) did the best job. This stuff works great on the sinuses too!! . I didn't use a "decongestant" as it raises my BP and makes my heart race. I also increased the humidifier setting. 10 days, cold gone, just some left over snot.
==Second, my husband has used a CPAP/ BiPAP for easily 15 yrs. He used to get horrible sinus infections. Use of nasal rinse ( neti pot style) helped, but this biggest improvement occurred after sinus surgery and trimming of the turbinates. He still gets the winter cold, but has not had a sinus infection since the surgery.
DO not fear the neti pot / sinus rinse. Actually during colds, the recommendation is to use a hypertonic saline solution (double the non-iodized salt or 2 packets if using the NeilMed product) to mobilize those really thick secretions (aka snot). Yes this is safe for a shot period of time, not recommended for standard daily use.
Have you thought about seeing an ENT?
Have cultures been done? I am wondering if you don't have a strain that is resistant to antibotics. I know there have been times over the course of years that I have had to have the anitbotics switched due to them not working on whatever infection I would have. I have suffered from numerous sinus infections over the years and know that at times they can be difficult to eradicate.
Be sure and take a multi-vitamin to help your immune system from getting even more weakened.
I know how difficult it can be to get into the doctor when you need it. I know around here we have 1 sleep doctor, 1 ent, 2 ob doctors, etc. and so wait times can be lengthy. If we need specialized treatment that means a trip of 70 miles or more one way to get to a bigger city. It can be a bummer, especially when you don't feel good.
I truly hope that you get to feeling better and be sure to take care of yourself.
I have 2 comments on this based on my and my husbands experience.
== First, I have successfully survived the Christmas cold and head congestion while maintaining the use of my CPAP nightly and not needing antibiotics. With the onset of the cold I washed my face mask (nasal pillows) daily. I also use a nasal saline rinse twice a day (yes this really does work) and used OTC meds, cough suppressant, antihistamine and expectorant. The expectorant (guiafensin) did the best job. This stuff works great on the sinuses too!! . I didn't use a "decongestant" as it raises my BP and makes my heart race. I also increased the humidifier setting. 10 days, cold gone, just some left over snot.
==Second, my husband has used a CPAP/ BiPAP for easily 15 yrs. He used to get horrible sinus infections. Use of nasal rinse ( neti pot style) helped, but this biggest improvement occurred after sinus surgery and trimming of the turbinates. He still gets the winter cold, but has not had a sinus infection since the surgery.
DO not fear the neti pot / sinus rinse. Actually during colds, the recommendation is to use a hypertonic saline solution (double the non-iodized salt or 2 packets if using the NeilMed product) to mobilize those really thick secretions (aka snot). Yes this is safe for a shot period of time, not recommended for standard daily use.
mixing herbal and conventional medicine can exasperate the problem you are treating, very often the treatment for the same alment is taken from diferent directions and the treatment by both simultainously will make it worse
so stick with one or the other not both
Susan, I just read this entire post, and felt that I had to make a few comments and suggestions.
For the people that don't know me, I'm an ENT physician that specializes in integrative care for sleep apnea. Sorry to hear about your continuing problems. I see your situation all the time in my practice, and your condition is not too surprising.
Which antibiotic are you on? What other medications are you taking for the sinus problem? Usually for sinusitis, you need multiple medications, including decongestants and allergy sprays. Now you're in the timeframe of what we call chronic sinusitis, and the treatment is different, sometimes requiring 14 to 21 days of antibiotics. Someone mentioned a culture, which is a good thought, if your current course of antibiotics doesn't significantly improve your condition, along with oral steroids. If all this doesn't work, a CT of the sinuses is the typical recommendation.
If the CT shows findings consistent with chronic sinusitis, then your ENT will recommend the routine things, like either another round of antibiotics or surgery.
However, it's more likely that your CT will show normal or minimal findings, which essentially rules out an infection to begin with. Definitive studies have shown that most cases of what patients and doctors treat as "sinusitis" are not really infections, but a migraine of the sinuses. It's a neurologic response to irritation of the sinus cavities that causes pain, pressure, headache, post-nasal drip, colored mucous, and nasal congestion. Weather changes, especially temperature, pressure and humidity changes are a potent migraine trigger, and this can affect the sinuses as well. I think you mentioned that it first started after such an event.
This is why sometimes, CPAP can aggravate or irritate the nasal or sinus passageways, since the nerve endings are hypersensitive. Sometimes it starts immediately when people first start using it, or occurs later when the person gets a cold or an allergy attack, which causes inflammation, causing more irritation to the sinuses.
I realize that there is a legitimate concern regarding contamination with the CPAP equipment during colds or infections, and as everyone here has pointed out, there's no consensus even within the medical community as to whether or not to stop CPAP temporarily. My personal opinion is to continue using CPAP, unless you find it too uncomfortable. If it's making your sleep worse, then rest for a few days. Otherwise, you can continue with supplemental medications like decongestants, allergy sprays, and lots of nasal saline. Your nose is full of normal bacteria, even when you're not sick. These bacteria infect the sinuses (and ears) only after something else causes inflammation (usually a viral infection, reflux, or migraine inflammation). This is why some people get multiple courses of antibiotics and it either doesn't work at all or it keeps coming back.
It's also important to note that sleep apnea itself is a major cause of inflammation in the nose. If you have a simple cold or an allergy attack, then with a stuffy nose, your CPAP pressure will probably be too low, due to increased nasal resistance. Plus, having nasal congestion can actually worsen untreated sleep apnea. This is why it's important to keep the nasal passageways as clear as possible. Different people have a combination of different reasons for nasal congestion. Most will have a deviated nasal septum along with enlarged turbinates that get even bigger with colds, and due to the narrowed facial structures in sleep apnea patients, the nostrils will tend to cave in easier, even with a little nasal congestion. So not only do you need to treat the inside of the nose, but the nostrils as well (with nasal dilators like Breathe Right or Nozovent).
Also, by definition, most sleep apnea patients have chronic (or non-allergic) rhinitis, which is an involuntary system imbalance that causes your nose to be either stuffy, runny, or both. In many cases, it's confused with allergies. You can have both allergic and non-allergic rhinitis.
You can use a Neti-pot in the short term, since most nasal saline preparations act to decongest the nose. Many people swear by them, but some people hate them. It really depends on what your nose can tolerate. A recent study showed that in users with frequent sinus "infections" who were using a Neti-pot daily for years, once they stopped, the number of sinus "infections" dropped significantly. Saline is probably good for short bursts, but it can clear out the protective mucous layer, as well as to paralyze the cilia that propels mucous out of the sinuses.
I can't make a recommendation specifically for you, Susan, but if I saw someone with your exact situation in my practice, this is what would recommend: Afrin for 3 days, along with a topical nasal steroid, and 2-3 times a day Neti-pot irrigation. Breathe-Rite or Nozovents if you have nasal valve collapse. If not improved, consider getting a CT to correlate the findings with the culture. If you have chronic sinusitis, then an aggressive 14 days course of a stronger antibiotic, along with the other adjunctive meds.
If your CT is normal, then treat for migraines, including dietary restrictions and possibly migraine medications (natural and then prescription), along with a referral to an acupuncturist to help you realign the imbalances of your involuntary nervous system.
Sorry I can't be of more help. Please keep us up to date on your future progress.
Steve
Susan, I just read this entire post, and felt that I had to make a few comments and suggestions.
For the people that don't know me, I'm an ENT physician that specializes in integrative care for sleep apnea. Sorry to hear about your continuing problems. I see your situation all the time in my practice, and your condition is not too surprising.
Which antibiotic are you on? What other medications are you taking for the sinus problem? Usually for sinusitis, you need multiple medications, including decongestants and allergy sprays. Now you're in the timeframe of what we call chronic sinusitis, and the treatment is different, sometimes requiring 14 to 21 days of antibiotics. Someone mentioned a culture, which is a good thought, if your current course of antibiotics doesn't significantly improve your condition, along with oral steroids. If all this doesn't work, a CT of the sinuses is the typical recommendation.
If the CT shows findings consistent with chronic sinusitis, then your ENT will recommend the routine things, like either another round of antibiotics or surgery.
However, it's more likely that your CT will show normal or minimal findings, which essentially rules out an infection to begin with. Definitive studies have shown that most cases of what patients and doctors treat as "sinusitis" are not really infections, but a migraine of the sinuses. It's a neurologic response to irritation of the sinus cavities that causes pain, pressure, headache, post-nasal drip, colored mucous, and nasal congestion. Weather changes, especially temperature, pressure and humidity changes are a potent migraine trigger, and this can affect the sinuses as well. I think you mentioned that it first started after such an event.
This is why sometimes, CPAP can aggravate or irritate the nasal or sinus passageways, since the nerve endings are hypersensitive. Sometimes it starts immediately when people first start using it, or occurs later when the person gets a cold or an allergy attack, which causes inflammation, causing more irritation to the sinuses.
I realize that there is a legitimate concern regarding contamination with the CPAP equipment during colds or infections, and as everyone here has pointed out, there's no consensus even within the medical community as to whether or not to stop CPAP temporarily. My personal opinion is to continue using CPAP, unless you find it too uncomfortable. If it's making your sleep worse, then rest for a few days. Otherwise, you can continue with supplemental medications like decongestants, allergy sprays, and lots of nasal saline. Your nose is full of normal bacteria, even when you're not sick. These bacteria infect the sinuses (and ears) only after something else causes inflammation (usually a viral infection, reflux, or migraine inflammation). This is why some people get multiple courses of antibiotics and it either doesn't work at all or it keeps coming back.
It's also important to note that sleep apnea itself is a major cause of inflammation in the nose. If you have a simple cold or an allergy attack, then with a stuffy nose, your CPAP pressure will probably be too low, due to increased nasal resistance. Plus, having nasal congestion can actually worsen untreated sleep apnea. This is why it's important to keep the nasal passageways as clear as possible. Different people have a combination of different reasons for nasal congestion. Most will have a deviated nasal septum along with enlarged turbinates that get even bigger with colds, and due to the narrowed facial structures in sleep apnea patients, the nostrils will tend to cave in easier, even with a little nasal congestion. So not only do you need to treat the inside of the nose, but the nostrils as well (with nasal dilators like Breathe Right or Nozovent).
Also, by definition, most sleep apnea patients have chronic (or non-allergic) rhinitis, which is an involuntary system imbalance that causes your nose to be either stuffy, runny, or both. In many cases, it's confused with allergies. You can have both allergic and non-allergic rhinitis.
You can use a Neti-pot in the short term, since most nasal saline preparations act to decongest the nose. Many people swear by them, but some people hate them. It really depends on what your nose can tolerate. A recent study showed that in users with frequent sinus "infections" who were using a Neti-pot daily for years, once they stopped, the number of sinus "infections" dropped significantly. Saline is probably good for short bursts, but it can clear out the protective mucous layer, as well as to paralyze the cilia that propels mucous out of the sinuses.
I can't make a recommendation specifically for you, Susan, but if I saw someone with your exact situation in my practice, this is what would recommend: Afrin for 3 days, along with a topical nasal steroid, and 2-3 times a day Neti-pot irrigation. Breathe-Rite or Nozovents if you have nasal valve collapse. If not improved, consider getting a CT to correlate the findings with the culture. If you have chronic sinusitis, then an aggressive 14 days course of a stronger antibiotic, along with the other adjunctive meds.
If your CT is normal, then treat for migraines, including dietary restrictions and possibly migraine medications (natural and then prescription), along with a referral to an acupuncturist to help you realign the imbalances of your involuntary nervous system.
Sorry I can't be of more help. Please keep us up to date on your future progress.
Steve
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