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What Drives Your Doctor Nuts about You
interesting perspective from doctor's point of view:
(excerpted from http://www.medpagetoday.com/PracticeManagement/PracticeManagement/1...) "The most frustrating thing for me is patients whose lifestyle is making them miserable but they won't change it," Dr. Green said.
He said many problems, such as sleep apnea and chronic tiredness, can be attributed to eating too much and moving too little. In that case, the treatment isn't disease, but "lack of health."
(excerpted from http://www.medpagetoday.com/PracticeManagement/PracticeManagement/1...) "The most frustrating thing for me is patients whose lifestyle is making them miserable but they won't change it," Dr. Green said.
He said many problems, such as sleep apnea and chronic tiredness, can be attributed to eating too much and moving too little. In that case, the treatment isn't disease, but "lack of health."
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Permalink Reply by Steven Y. Park, MD on
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I commented on his article that not all sleep apnea patients eat too much and are overweight.
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Permalink Reply by Dan Lyons on
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The question needs to be reversed actually. What about the doctor frustrates the patient? Maybe they might learn something.
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Permalink Reply by Judy on
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At least the doctor is GETTING PAID. Perhaps they have a misguided sense of what their "job" or responsibility is. As I see it their job is to detect my health problems, advise me about what tests might be necessary to determine what health problems I have or their extent, advise me as to what options there are for treating or curing those problems so that "I" can make an informed decision as to what "we" or "I" am going to do or can do about them. As I see it I am paying him for his education and expertise to advise me of my options. I am NOT paying him to be my warden or keeper.
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Permalink Reply by Chris on
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Judy said:At least the doctor is GETTING PAID. Perhaps they have a misguided sense of what their "job" or responsibility is. As I see it their job is to detect my health problems, advise me about what tests might be necessary to determine what health problems I have or their extent, advise me as to what options there are for treating or curing those problems so that "I" can make an informed decision as to what "we" or "I" am going to do or can do about them. As I see it I am paying him for his education and expertise to advise me of my options. I am NOT paying him to be my warden or keeper.
X2. I liked the comment of "moving too little" I would love to see this guy stay up all night then spend the next day doing some physical active. I AM NOT LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM 1/2 ASLEEP ALL DAY BECAUSE I HAVE APNEA YOU DINGBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by BPLink on
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The patient is only human.
The doctor is only human too, but the doctor is professional. He knows more than the patient, the doctor is there to do a job rather than to get needed treatment so the stakes are higher for the patient, no wonder that the patient is nervous or confused or upset or excited.
The doctor needs to show a little class, a little PATIENCE.
Chris said:Judy said:At least the doctor is GETTING PAID. Perhaps they have a misguided sense of what their "job" or responsibility is. As I see it their job is to detect my health problems, advise me about what tests might be necessary to determine what health problems I have or their extent, advise me as to what options there are for treating or curing those problems so that "I" can make an informed decision as to what "we" or "I" am going to do or can do about them. As I see it I am paying him for his education and expertise to advise me of my options. I am NOT paying him to be my warden or keeper.
X2. I liked the comment of "moving too little" I would love to see this guy stay up all night then spend the next day doing some physical active. I AM NOT LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM 1/2 ASLEEP ALL DAY BECAUSE I HAVE APNEA YOU DINGBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Please explain to me what makes the doctors think they are superior to the rest of the public? Why is their vocation treated so differently than any other vocation? Should they not have to warrant their work? They complain about their malpractice insurance rates being so exorbitant. Easy solution. Make their negligence criminal and subject them to criminal penalties.
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Dan Lyons said:Please explain to me what makes the doctors think they are superior to the rest of the public? Why is their vocation treated so differently than any other vocation? Should they not have to warrant their work? They complain about their malpractice insurance rates being so exorbitant. Easy solution. Make their negligence criminal and subject them to criminal penalties.
X2. I remember listening to a radio talk show and the DJ was talking about gun control and he said some doctor said that they should take away our right to bear arms and ban all firearms. The DJ pointed out that the statiscs show that more people die because of incompetent doctors than die from gunshot wounds.
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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We have heard all about what frustrates the pts Dan. I think this piece has some good things to say. the majority of pts are not as proactive as the people on this site. lets be honest only a small % of the members here are even that proactive. it is very frustrating to spend your time, paid or not, knowing that the pt is not going to follow through with improving their health. Besides everyone on this site has been given a chance to voice their frustrations. We should allow and respect their opinions as well.
Dan if we make medical negligence criminal then by all means we should do the same to everyone elses jobs. it would not be fare to just do it to the medical industry. Should we hold the auto workers responsible also? How about your job? To error is human, but the next time you do we are going to fine you. how about people whom are given proper medical advice and choose not to follow it. Should we throw them in jail too?
Dan Lyons said:The question needs to be reversed actually. What about the doctor frustrates the patient? Maybe they might learn something.
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Rock,
We have all heard what frustrates us about doctors. The key word is "we". The medical profession has not.
In so far as making errors - agreed it is a human frailty, but the “high and mighty” medical profession has set themselves up to be above the common folk. They know what is best for us and dictate the pathway we should walk! As a result, they are now experts. Thus as a result of the infallible positioning, an error on their part is criminal negligence, and needs to be treated as such.
If they aren't experts, then what allows them such control and the ability to charge exurbanite fees and isolate themselves to reproach.
Rock Hinkle said:We have heard all about what frustrates the pts Dan. I think this piece has some good things to say. the majority of pts are not as proactive as the people on this site. lets be honest only a small % of the members here are even that proactive. it is very frustrating to spend your time, paid or not, knowing that the pt is not going to follow through with improving their health. Besides everyone on this site has been given a chance to voice their frustrations. We should allow and respect their opinions as well.
Dan if we make medical negligence criminal then by all means we should do the same to everyone elses jobs. it would not be fare to just do it to the medical industry. Should we hold the auto workers responsible also? How about your job? To error is human, but the next time you do we are going to fine you. how about people whom are given proper medical advice and choose not to follow it. Should we throw them in jail too?
Dan Lyons said:The question needs to be reversed actually. What about the doctor frustrates the patient? Maybe they might learn something.
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The medical profession has worked in secret or at least made STRONG attempts to work in secret for not just years but decades and in fact centuries. They insisted on the right to police themselves - and then did NOT police themselves. Using the mindset, there but for the grace of God ... they looked the other way and refused to comment or take action when collegues were killing patients thru alcoholism, incompetence, etc., etc. Unfortunately for many of today's doctors they are paying the price for the arrogance of their predecessors.
And, frankly, there would be a heck of a whole lot more proactive patients if they weren't constantly cut off at the knees by the arrogrant prima donnas in the medical profession. All it takes is a giving little respect and encouragement - or screwing up big time and creating one angry, determined patient.
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I would just say to the doctor "walk in my shoes"
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Dan i am on your side here. I just think that not all of the blame should be put on the docs. As a society we have allowed them to act this way. For too many years this was the way it was, and that was ok. How many times on this site have we seen a PCP's advice completely ignored. It is just as much the pt's responsibility to get and stay healthy as it is the doc's to help them get there. If you want the medical profession to hear what you have to say make them listen. Has anyone supported the sleep education bill? Has a petiition been started yet? Has anyone called their representitive yet? Every day I get up and try to make a difference.
http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/sleep-apnea-awareness-bill-i...
Dan Lyons said:Rock,
We have all heard what frustrates us about doctors. The key word is "we". The medical profession has not.
In so far as making errors - agreed it is a human frailty, but the “high and mighty” medical profession has set themselves up to be above the common folk. They know what is best for us and dictate the pathway we should walk! As a result, they are now experts. Thus as a result of the infallible positioning, an error on their part is criminal negligence, and needs to be treated as such.
If they aren't experts, then what allows them such control and the ability to charge exurbanite fees and isolate themselves to reproach.
Rock Hinkle said:We have heard all about what frustrates the pts Dan. I think this piece has some good things to say. the majority of pts are not as proactive as the people on this site. lets be honest only a small % of the members here are even that proactive. it is very frustrating to spend your time, paid or not, knowing that the pt is not going to follow through with improving their health. Besides everyone on this site has been given a chance to voice their frustrations. We should allow and respect their opinions as well.
Dan if we make medical negligence criminal then by all means we should do the same to everyone elses jobs. it would not be fare to just do it to the medical industry. Should we hold the auto workers responsible also? How about your job? To error is human, but the next time you do we are going to fine you. how about people whom are given proper medical advice and choose not to follow it. Should we throw them in jail too?
Dan Lyons said:The question needs to be reversed actually. What about the doctor frustrates the patient? Maybe they might learn something.
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