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New healthcare reform.
Perhaps this is not a relevant discussion in this forum, and perhaps I am moving myself into a heated debate. But seen here from Denmark, has Obama's new healthcare reform made the U.S. to a more humane country.
I have read that many Americans believe that this reform will make the U.S. into another Europe.
But it is still the case that the U.S. is very far from Europe's social structure. I do not speak
either for or against this development. There are many pros and cons of this
development.
But best of my knowledge, this is a big step forward with the new healthcare reform.
Congratulations.
Henning
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Permalink Reply by D. W. Conn on
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Just one more thing on the subject. Texas Medicaid ahs already dropped polysomnography from their provider formulary. If you have Medicaid and need a sleep study you are considered Self pay. There aremany bureaucrats with out medical knowledge trying to tell YOU what is best for your health!
Covenant healthcare in the 1990s found their Reimbursable rates dropped by as much as 50% 1100 employees were laid off in the first wave, the second brought another 400 lay offs. This was a 2000 bed facility.
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Permalink Reply by Henning on
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Conn,
Do you have anything specific in your statements that can attributable to the new health care reform?
In my opinion you should wait until there is something concrete.
Henning
D. W. Conn said:Just one more thing on the subject. Texas Medicaid ahs already dropped polysomnography from their provider formulary. If you have Medicaid and need a sleep study you are considered Self pay. There aremany bureaucrats with out medical knowledge trying to tell YOU what is best for your health!
Covenant healthcare in the 1990s found their Reimbursable rates dropped by as much as 50% 1100 employees were laid off in the first wave, the second brought another 400 lay offs. This was a 2000 bed facility.
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we have an insane government with no idea where its going or what it is doing. Concrete n othing about this government adminstration concrete its all tired 1930s socialist propaganda!!!
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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In the long wrong the Tx medicaid system will look back on this as a mistake. Will medicare still pay for sleep studies in Tx?
D. W. Conn said:Just one more thing on the subject. Texas Medicaid ahs already dropped polysomnography from their provider formulary. If you have Medicaid and need a sleep study you are considered Self pay. There aremany bureaucrats with out medical knowledge trying to tell YOU what is best for your health!
Covenant healthcare in the 1990s found their Reimbursable rates dropped by as much as 50% 1100 employees were laid off in the first wave, the second brought another 400 lay offs. This was a 2000 bed facility.
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at this time yes. but I am too angry to go on with this thread.
Rock Hinkle said:In the long wrong the Tx medicaid system will look back on this as a mistake. Will medicare still pay for sleep studies in Tx?
D. W. Conn said:Just one more thing on the subject. Texas Medicaid ahs already dropped polysomnography from their provider formulary. If you have Medicaid and need a sleep study you are considered Self pay. There aremany bureaucrats with out medical knowledge trying to tell YOU what is best for your health!
Covenant healthcare in the 1990s found their Reimbursable rates dropped by as much as 50% 1100 employees were laid off in the first wave, the second brought another 400 lay offs. This was a 2000 bed facility.
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Permalink Reply by Tim on
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Not enough is known about what the actual impact will be; most of the health care changes -- if any -- will be policy decisions, not something specifically mentioned in the bill. Medicaid is administered and coverage policies are made at state level, the decisions that Texas Medicare made regarding coverage for polysomnography has nothing to do with this bill (unless they were playing political games).
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Permalink Reply by Walt Service on
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Obama's healthcare reform, "made the U.S. to a more humane country"...????? Henning, I have to laugh at that. There's a reason why so many folks from outside the US have come to our country to take care of their medical issues; we're the best at what we do. This change in healthcare is only going to force more MDs out of the business and make "medical tourism" the next multimillion $$ business.
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It was not the quality of the healthcare system, I commented, but people's right to be treated.
In the world's richest country, it should in my view, be self-evident, that all are entitled to medical treatment.
In my opinion, the new healthcare reform is a big step forward.
Henning
Walt Service said:Obama's healthcare reform, "made the U.S. to a more humane country"...????? Henning, I have to laugh at that. There's a reason why so many folks from outside the US have come to our country to take care of their medical issues; we're the best at what we do. This change in healthcare is only going to force more MDs out of the business and make "medical tourism" the next multimillion $$ business.
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In my opinion, this is just another nail in the coffin of the USA being a capitalist country. If this Obama bill holds (which is a really big if) it will be the first time that our Federal government has made a requirement that it's citizens had to buy a product whether they liked it or not.
The people of our country weren't dying in the streets, with the hospitals shutting their doors or tossing them out on their fannies before we had Obama care nor before LBJ forced medicare upon us.
You stated that in your view, it's "self-evident that all are entitled to medical treatment"... Wow, how I dislike that magical word entitled. According to our Declaration of Independence, we're entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that sure in the devil doesn't mean that we are to expect to the Federal government to provide us with health care...
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I understand why you dislike the word "entitled".
Denmark is also a capitalist country, although it is now difficult to discern. Residents have today so many rights that it has become much too much. Everything is paid out of taxes, which for example means that I pay 68% of the of the last third of my income. We also have very high sales taxes. It is absolutely horrifying, and many young people choose to move abroad because of the tax burden.
The reason that I'm different on health care is probably because it is a law written in our Constitution - a counterpart to your Declaration of Independence. We are all born with that right. I am sure that all Danes are in favor of this right. Moreover, our system is identical with most countries in Europe (EU).
When I look at the U.S. there have been a number of presidents tried to make a health care reform the last 100 years. (Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Clinton and now Obama) so it can hardly come as a surprise that it comes now. What surprises me is that Republican politicians are so tough opponents. There have been a couple of Republican presidents from the above mentioned.
Henning
Walt Service said:In my opinion, this is just another nail in the coffin of the USA being a capitalist country. If this Obama bill holds (which is a really big if) it will be the first time that our Federal government has made a requirement that it's citizens had to buy a product whether they liked it or not.
The people of our country weren't dying in the streets, with the hospitals shutting their doors or tossing them out on their fannies before we had Obama care nor before LBJ forced medicare upon us.
You stated that in your view, it's "self-evident that all are entitled to medical treatment"... Wow, how I dislike that magical word entitled. According to our Declaration of Independence, we're entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that sure in the devil doesn't mean that we are to expect to the Federal government to provide us with health care...
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Permalink Reply by Judy on
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MOST of those who come to the USA for quality health care are those WHO CAN AFFORD to pay for whatever it takes to improve or cure their health problem.
Everyone in this country who can't afford health care still get it FREE w/a visit to the nearest ER at the expense of all who are working and paying taxes. Unless they aren't working and paying any taxes they are contributing to the cost of their health care.
Illegal immigrants have a access to free health care and an access to it because not for profit hospitals CAN NOT legally turn them away and MUST treat them.
Nothing in this life is free, you don't "get nuttin' for nuttin", we are all paying for everyone else's healthcare as well as our own.
The problem w/healthcare in the USA is the same problem at the root of our financial and banking industries as well as big business - GREED. Excess profits hidden in obscene salaries, benefits and perks to the highest level of management.
I wish I had cut out and saved a short article in Kiplinger's Newsletter back in the late 1980s quoting one of the old "robber barons", J P Morgan, Rockefeller, whoever, I don't remember the name, who said (and I paraphrase) "any man who makes more than 10% profit on his customers is screwing his customers".
No country in the world has the ratio of high level salaries to hourly worker salaries than the USA. NO COUNTRY.
The biggest problem w/this health care reform bill is that really does little to nothing to REDUCE COSTS and that reduction needs to be made on excess profits at all levels.
I can't speak for every area of the country, but here in Michigan, one of the most financially depressed states in our country, I hear hospitals crying poverty while they continue building fancy new outpatient facilities on large campuses. I see them adding on to existing facilities all the while I see entire wings and entire floors of existing facilities sitting empty and unused.
Frankly, I dont sympathize w/doctors crying and wringing their hands about malpractice insurance costs. They brought it on themselves by covering for the incompetent, addicted, and negligent members of their profession for years and years. On the other hand, the cost of obtaining a medical degree (or other college degree) today is obscene. The majority of doctors go into practice saddled w/horrendous debt. Their fees to their patients reflect this huge debt they must pay off. Once that debt is FINALLY paid off they and we see the fruits of their labor - houses, cars, vacations, etc. and we resent them their wealth. I don't begrudge a doctor the fruits of his labor. It wasn't an easy row to hoe to get there.
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Permalink Reply by 99 on
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and where does wales fit into your geography as some wrongly say it is part of england
j n k said:Well, in defense of Rock, I too consider Ireland and Scotland to both still be far outposts of Scandinavia, meself. But perhaps I have me history and geography a wee bit discombobulated. :-)
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