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Permalink Reply by D. W. Conn on September 11, 2009 at 11:12pm

I agree the weak chin short jaw does pose more of a threat of apnea and or breathing disorders IMHO

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Permalink Reply by Mike on September 13, 2009 at 12:17am

Dr. Park has some nifty theories related to our diet of processed food and how this causes the jaw to be weak/ prone to breathing disorders.

D. W. Conn said:

I agree the weak chin short jaw does pose more of a threat of apnea and or breathing disorders IMHO

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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on September 13, 2009 at 5:30pm

I will also give you that 85% Banyon. Apnea is the #1 disorder seen in our sleep clinics. That should not take away from the other 88 or so sleep disorders. My job does not allow me to ignore the others just because one has apnea. I would also like to see the %s of people with sleep disorders that work the high stress jobs you are talking about. I bet it is higher then you think. As far as our soldiers go the number of sleep problems from PTSD is staggering. Bad sleep not being as big as apnea to me is part of the problem. So often we see the desats of apnea treated while patients are left to fix their fragmented sleep themselves. Apnea has 2 effects, o2 desaturations and fragmented sleep. you can't fix one and expect the other to fix itself. Not everytime anyway. the governors eyes say it all. he is not sleeping well.

Banyon said:

Rock Hinkle said:

........... this man's job alone will cause problems to his sleep.......

Mike said:

.......You're right that sleep is much larger than OSA, .......

"Don't miss the good life while you are pursuing the perfect life." I like to quote this to my "perfectionist" friends. I am also a gambler and if I can pick 85%, then I am in high clover.

That is a little background. Now back to the topic at hand (or at jaw?).

I take an opposing POV to the statements of Mike and Rock. I don’t think it is correct that “...this man's job alone will cause problems to his sleep….” There are countless individuals who have very “high stress” jobs and sleep and function well. I would not consider a governor’s job high stress in comparison to an EMT in a metropolitan high crime area. Nor to a purple-heart tank commander with 24-months experience in the worst parts of Iraq, now preparing for an Afghanistan tour. Many of these people sleep well.

I also don’t think it is correct that “sleep is much larger than OSA.” Mike, I will give you 15% and please let me take the 85%.

What I am trying to say is my POV is that OSA is responsible for 85% of the people showing up at the offices of psychotherapists and psychiatrists.

OK, but that is a little off topic. The topic was Sanford’s jaw and it seems his jaw does not indicate a high likelihood of OSA. Thanks.

BTW, I am constantly “selling OSA”, trying to get “suspects” to go to the sleep lab and with good success – 31 diagnosed since I was. Is there a schematic available that would help judge from jaw structure the likelihood of OSA? This could help with my “selling”.

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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on October 22, 2009 at 9:43pm

Banyon I have been researching your comments on sleep problems in people with high stress jobs. I think you might find the results interesting.

This is from a study done on rescue workers from 911. I believe it only covers those from NY.

http://home2.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/publications/wtc_assessments/200...


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This one on soldiers is just disturbing.
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They are actually training our soldiers to on how to deal with their sleep problems before they happen.

Check out the section marked sleep disturbances. It talks about high stress being a predisposing factor for insomnia.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ceuq9P4hLJMC&pg=RA1-PA1989&...

Air traffic controllers:

http://www.healthcentral.com/sleep-disorders/c/68/2551/shift-work/

Air traffic controllers on late-night shifts at Indianapolis International Airport have been warned they face suspension if they sleep during rest periods.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/650977/air_traffic_controller...

Over 13,000 hits on Police and sleep. I could go on and on about this. I have over 100 studies that I have not read yet. I do believe that stress is a huge factor in our sleep. With that knowledge a high stress job could definitely add to our sleep problems.

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Permalink Reply by gordon on October 23, 2009 at 12:10am

Gov. Sanford is truly in love with that woman down in South America. He's losing sleep over it. Actually, the guy is too passionate to be a politician.

susan mccord said:

I have no idea re: OSA with this guy. What I do know, for sure, from looking at his eyes and his affect, is that he's very troubled and appears to be extremely tired. He doesn't really look healthy to me. Guess we could speculate on the reason forever.

There was a period of time since I was dx OSA that I was scared by the way I looked. Honestly, I would look in the mirror and think, "I'm dying". Seriously, I've been through all kinds of stress and surgeries, heart disease, etc., and at times haven't looked well. But the way I looked maybe 6 weeks ago (not quite sure, when I was having all the CPAP sides), was just grim. A shock. I s'pose it was a combination of OSA finally taking its toll, struggling with treatment, stress from dx, a whole lot of things, probably. But I hope I never have to see myself looking like that again......it scared me, a lot......

What are you guys talking about re: his jaw? I know there are sometimes structural problems with some people but have no idea what you're seeing in terms of jaw/?chin?, or whatever you're all looking at. There's so much I don't yet know or understand about all this, and I WANT to know and understand. Wasn't ready for more info before, but I'm more ready now.

Susan McCord

Mike said:

i think it might be better to evaluate this based on his profile picture:

honestly, to me, it looks like he has pretty good jaw structure. his jaw is jutting outward, not inward, which is a good sign. would be interested to hear what others think.

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Permalink Reply by 99 on October 23, 2009 at 5:54am

Baggy eyes

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Permalink Reply by Banyon on October 27, 2009 at 6:00pm

Rock Hinkle said:

Banyon I have been researching your comments on sleep problems in people with high stress jobs. I think you might find the results interesting.

.........snip........... This is from a study done on rescue workers from 911. I believe it only covers those from NY. I could go on and on about this. I have over 100 studies that I have not read yet. I do believe that stress is a huge factor in our sleep. With that knowledge a high stress job could definitely add to our sleep problems.

The problem with those studies is that not a single one of them controlled for SDB. Control for SDB and you will find a very high correlation between "job stress" and SDB. You will also find a large population that handle "job stress" very well and almost all these people breathe normally when asleep.

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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on October 27, 2009 at 9:34pm

i can't argue with that right now. Dam you Banyon!

Banyon said:

Rock Hinkle said:

Banyon I have been researching your comments on sleep problems in people with high stress jobs. I think you might find the results interesting.

.........snip........... This is from a study done on rescue workers from 911. I believe it only covers those from NY. I could go on and on about this. I have over 100 studies that I have not read yet. I do believe that stress is a huge factor in our sleep. With that knowledge a high stress job could definitely add to our sleep problems.

The problem with those studies is that not a single one of them controlled for SDB. Control for SDB and you will find a very high correlation between "job stress" and SDB. You will also find a large population that handle "job stress" very well and almost all these people breathe normally when asleep.

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Permalink Reply by Banyon on October 28, 2009 at 8:22am

Rock Hinkle said:

.........Dam you Banyon! ........

That personal attack is highly stressful to me and will ruin my sleep. I come here for support with a difficult apnea condition and I get attacked. I am out of here. My email will send future messages from sleepguide.com into the junk folder.

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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on October 28, 2009 at 8:23am

Your kidding right?

Banyon said:

Rock Hinkle said:

.........Dam you Banyon!
That personal attack is highly stressful to me and will ruin my sleep. I come here for support with a difficult apnea condition and I get attacked. I am out of here. My email will send future messages from sleepguide.com into the junk folder.

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Permalink Reply by Banyon on October 28, 2009 at 8:30am

Shucks. I almost gotcha' again.

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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on October 28, 2009 at 8:38am

You had me! i am off for 3 days. I will find the research!

Banyon said:

Shucks. I almost gotcha' again.

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