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My views may not be mainstream on such matters.
For me, the need for good sleep and the need for the ability to breathe well while asleep are no-brainers--they are obvious needs for all humans. So, for me personally, studies that document which organ systems are affected first or most profoundly are mostly a waste of time in the sense that they don't change my view on the importance of sleep and breathing. No one needs to convince me that bad sleep and bad breathing can hurt you and eventually kill you, one way or the other.
The flip side to studies such as this one, though, is this: People with serious disease are likely also to have sleep problems and are likely also to have breathing problems that show up first during sleep. Therefore, with this study, for example, it is just as likely that "bad health can cause bad breathing during sleep" as it is that "bad breathing during sleep can cause bad health." The association of any two conditions can work both ways, and causation is not the issue for me.
The issue for me is the need to spread the word among the humans who are so confused about things that they have lost sight of the fact that breathing while asleep is an important thing to do. People need to be alerted to the fact that if there are any indications that their sleep-breathing is bad enough to disturb their sleep or affect their oxygen, it needs to be tested/diagnosed/treated.
Jeff (the chronic oversimplifier)
Thanks, Mike.
May I print your sentence out to show my wife that there is at least one person on the planet who considers me reasonable?
:-)
Jeff -- I move to change your name from the "Chronic Oversimplifier" to the "Voice of Reason"
j n k said:My views may not be mainstream on such matters.
For me, the need for good sleep and the need for the ability to breathe well while asleep are no-brainers--they are obvious needs for all humans. So, for me personally, studies that document which organ systems are affected first or most profoundly are mostly a waste of time in the sense that they don't change my view on the importance of sleep and breathing. No one needs to convince me that bad sleep and bad breathing can hurt you and eventually kill you, one way or the other.
The flip side to studies such as this one, though, is this: People with serious disease are likely also to have sleep problems and are likely also to have breathing problems that show up first during sleep. Therefore, with this study, for example, it is just as likely that "bad health can cause bad breathing during sleep" as it is that "bad breathing during sleep can cause bad health." The association of any two conditions can work both ways, and causation is not the issue for me.
The issue for me is the need to spread the word among the humans who are so confused about things that they have lost sight of the fact that breathing while asleep is an important thing to do. People need to be alerted to the fact that if there are any indications that their sleep-breathing is bad enough to disturb their sleep or affect their oxygen, it needs to be tested/diagnosed/treated.
Jeff (the chronic oversimplifier)
My views may not be mainstream on such matters.
For me, the need for good sleep and the need for the ability to breathe well while asleep are no-brainers--they are obvious needs for all humans. So, for me personally, studies that document which organ systems are affected first or most profoundly are mostly a waste of time in the sense that they don't change my view on the importance of sleep and breathing. No one needs to convince me that bad sleep and bad breathing can hurt you and eventually kill you, one way or the other.
The flip side to studies such as this one, though, is this: People with serious disease are likely also to have sleep problems and are likely also to have breathing problems that show up first during sleep. Therefore, with this study, for example, it is just as likely that "bad health can cause bad breathing during sleep" as it is that "bad breathing during sleep can cause bad health." The association of any two conditions can work both ways, and causation is not the issue for me.
The issue for me is the need to spread the word among the humans who are so confused about things that they have lost sight of the fact that breathing while asleep is an important thing to do. People need to be alerted to the fact that if there are any indications that their sleep-breathing is bad enough to disturb their sleep or affect their oxygen, it needs to be tested/diagnosed/treated.
Jeff (the chronic oversimplifier)
My son was born in 1973...and I think he always had sleep apnea to some degree..but we didn't know how to recognize it..and doctors didn't know anything about it either..By the time he was 22 yrs old.. it was horrible..He had sleep apnea and later reading for all information I could find on it...was a " swimmer" too. That is where he would sleep on his stomach..kick his feet..with his face down in his pillow..then raise his head to gasp for air and go down again I imagine this was RLS or lack of oxygen causing the kicking like a swimmer. I would send him to the ER and they would send him home with antibiotics..the last time I sent him to the ER all the nurses were saying.. " he has sleep apnea really BAD, doesn't he"..He couldn't even stay awake while he was in the ER....the nurses actually moved his bed out by their station while he was there to keep a closer eye on him and his breathing. NO ONE said.. this young man is in grave danger.. .. we are KEEPING him and putting him thru a sleep study and will try to start treatment from there.. EVERYTIME I sent him to the ER I would sit at home praying.. " please let some doctor see how bad he is doing and try and help him"..His wife would go with him. The last trip they set up a referral to a heart doctor and sent him home with antibiotics again. The next morning we awoke to screaming ...and he had died face down in his pillow. His weight DOUBLED in that final 6 months....they had to fit him in a special coffin and they never could ease him into it where he looked even remotely " natural". I had the coffin closed..instructed the funeral home NOT to open it again. The funeral home director told me that almost EVERY person that had died of sleep apnea had become morbidly obese in a very short period of time. I was told that his heart was 3 times the size it should be and that the heart attack was what killed him.. I think the Sleep Apnea killed him. Now days I just casually mention to a Dr in the clinic that I think I might have sleep apnea..and I am thrown into a sleep study within a day. Sleep Apnea CAN kill you.. and IF you do NOT get some kind of help WILL kill you. My son was only 22 yrs old..he left this world with an 18 month old daughter and his life had JUST BEGUN...and it was over. Don't EVEN ask me how I feel or what I think about every night when I put my CPAP mask on faithfully.........
My son was born in 1973...and I think he always had sleep apnea to some degree..but we didn't know how to recognize it..and doctors didn't know anything about it either..By the time he was 22 yrs old.. it was horrible..He had sleep apnea and later reading for all information I could find on it...was a " swimmer" too. That is where he would sleep on his stomach..kick his feet..with his face down in his pillow..then raise his head to gasp for air and go down again I imagine this was RLS or lack of oxygen causing the kicking like a swimmer. I would send him to the ER and they would send him home with antibiotics..the last time I sent him to the ER all the nurses were saying.. " he has sleep apnea really BAD, doesn't he"..He couldn't even stay awake while he was in the ER....the nurses actually moved his bed out by their station while he was there to keep a closer eye on him and his breathing. NO ONE said.. this young man is in grave danger.. .. we are KEEPING him and putting him thru a sleep study and will try to start treatment from there.. EVERYTIME I sent him to the ER I would sit at home praying.. " please let some doctor see how bad he is doing and try and help him"..His wife would go with him. The last trip they set up a referral to a heart doctor and sent him home with antibiotics again. The next morning we awoke to screaming ...and he had died face down in his pillow. His weight DOUBLED in that final 6 months....they had to fit him in a special coffin and they never could ease him into it where he looked even remotely " natural". I had the coffin closed..instructed the funeral home NOT to open it again. The funeral home director told me that almost EVERY person that had died of sleep apnea had become morbidly obese in a very short period of time. I was told that his heart was 3 times the size it should be and that the heart attack was what killed him.. I think the Sleep Apnea killed him. Now days I just casually mention to a Dr in the clinic that I think I might have sleep apnea..and I am thrown into a sleep study within a day. Sleep Apnea CAN kill you.. and IF you do NOT get some kind of help WILL kill you. My son was only 22 yrs old..he left this world with an 18 month old daughter and his life had JUST BEGUN...and it was over. Don't EVEN ask me how I feel or what I think about every night when I put my CPAP mask on faithfully.........
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