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Permalink Reply by Roger James Dutton on August 24, 2011 at 5:27am

I am hoping to research this, as my recently diagnosed  OSA 12.4 AHI came on after a stroke TIA due to a clot, but was most likely very mild and lifelong. As a young lad I suffered a sideways whiplash which left me concussed for four days. 46 years on my raised left shoulder and rigt hip to compensate alerted me to tha possible damage to cervical spine. Will get a scan when I have earned enough money and also of my brain, which was not done after my stroke, due to drunken fighters  being Triaged ahead of me in the scanner at the local hospital. 

It took a lot of fuss from me, with my Member of Parliament and the local newspaper getting me to diagnosis and treatment, with a 'Mild' condition which was nonetheless affecting my whole life severely. This took two years. Next project is to get the cash to get my life back on track and then private investigation to check out the neck and head.

Of course Stroke and Apnoea seem to be linked but research needed with apnoea only being recognised about 40 years ago. Interesting research on combat veterans with PTSD seems to indicate that a lot are literally 'choling up' with slep apnoea's, but no data on how many fit young soldiers already had sleep apnoea's. fir young soldiers tend to smoke and drink a little more than the general population to so Ho Hum more research needed.

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 24, 2011 at 9:01am

Well Roger, if you can share any info you come across in regards to the Chiropractor- treatment- would be appreciated.

And if you would like to check out my Dr? Her name is Dr. Maureen Davis. Her office is in Hallandale Fl. And I will get her Web info and post it in you are interested?

Note: Her techique is just to treat the Neck only.

 

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Permalink Reply by Roger James Dutton on August 24, 2011 at 12:22pm

Thanks clare,

My location will work against a visit to your doctor as I am in the UK ! My osteopath will probably be the next visit and we have a good Nuffield hospital that will be able to do a scan to see what the state of my neck is.

Will cetainly share any info, and I will try to choose a scanning method which will enable a good image of my airways along with any misalignment related restrictions.

My feeling is that this is an area where the current way of thinking may not do the job as there are a  such a  lot of possibilities. The main ones are genetic, with a history of stroke and snoring anecdotally back three generations on both sides. My eating habits are different from dad ( second world war) and grandad (first world war/1930's economic deppression) and although pretty active I am taller than them both and weigh less.Even in my dads early adulthood automobiles were rare and everyone would walk or cycle at least an hour daily and have a much more physical job than I have had. So musculature including throat will be different.Proccessed food with added salt and sugar would have been absent completely for grandads diet and far less in dads time. ditto air pollution with Coal/Steam or actual horses in use till my birth date. Gas made from coal (Hydrogen )and coal would have been deep dug and less Sulphur than the stuff from Poland we use now, or oil or nuclear to get our electricity. Too many variables affecting my particular genotype and too many changes in Environmental factors impacting on my old body!All impacting on my throat lungs and heart, which in themselves are only an indicator of sleep state, which is the determining facror on how much REM and non Rem sleep I get, dufferent for each person which comprises the sleep deprivation which is dealt with by different people well, differently, depends on motivation too! I have always sought change, which begs the question how much of that seeking is to stay awake by staying stimulated by novel situations. Changing carreers not just jobs and underperforming in all aspects when familiar with the job. Marriages ditto I'm afraid, times three but probably 30+ different jobs/careers need for change driven by ? Well I have to wonder.

I would love to know the detail of how your chiropractor treats the neck, I use oscillating traction via a 'backswing' and excercises from Yoga, rolls and twists and part rotations as well as a Physiotherapists excercise called Neck Retraction and Neck retreaction with overpressure to ease neck pain and these may have helped with the apnoeas, till I had a stroke in May 2009.

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 25, 2011 at 10:22pm

Hi Roger:

The technique my Dr uses is so Simple:

She just has her pt's sitting in a regular chair- while directly in front of the scanner.

She does the scan of the neck and , (forgot the name of the scan machine) it instantly appears on the screen in plain view for the pt and the Dr to see.

This scan show's blood flow or energy in graphs - flowing though - out the neck area.

Plus the scanner measure/ calculates the amt of the subluxation and compares it to the previous scans. I do not totally understand the technology.

She then does the adjustment right there while you sit in the chair and then repeats the scan- and she can get a picture almost instantly of the slignment/ re-alighment of the neck.

Once the neck vertebra are no longer 'pinching' off the nerves- healing can take place!

All I know is that I cannot believe how bad my Neck was and of the 20-30 Chiropractors I have been to in my lifetime- NONE of them practice this technque. And while they helped me in a limited way- I would reach a point when I felt like the adjustments were counter productive, and did not want to go back and spend time and $$ on it.

And I never remember feeling so good in such a long time- it has to be the TX's from Dr. Davis.  I'm so happy, I feel like I'm finally getting to be myself again.

This tech She use's makes so much sense now, I will see if there might be some info I can find out from her tomorrow - about what the tecnique is called and if she has any info about the "UK".

I'm sure with some persistance you will find a really cool Dr -

And Osteopath Doc's also recieve the training in adjusting the spine- maybe he would just focus on the adjusting th neck?

Please keep me posted - take care :)

Clare

 

 

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Permalink Reply by MZH on August 29, 2011 at 9:44am

Clare, I'm in SC and would love to know what the scan process is called. If I can't get it here, I may travel to Hallendale FL! Thanks for mentioning this.

Clare said:

Hi Roger:

The technique my Dr uses is so Simple:

She just has her pt's sitting in a regular chair- while directly in front of the scanner.

She does the scan of the neck and , (forgot the name of the scan machine) it instantly appears on the screen in plain view for the pt and the Dr to see.

This scan show's blood flow or energy in graphs - flowing though - out the neck area.

Plus the scanner measure/ calculates the amt of the subluxation and compares it to the previous scans. I do not totally understand the technology.

She then does the adjustment right there while you sit in the chair and then repeats the scan- and she can get a picture almost instantly of the slignment/ re-alighment of the neck.

Once the neck vertebra are no longer 'pinching' off the nerves- healing can take place!

All I know is that I cannot believe how bad my Neck was and of the 20-30 Chiropractors I have been to in my lifetime- NONE of them practice this technque. And while they helped me in a limited way- I would reach a point when I felt like the adjustments were counter productive, and did not want to go back and spend time and $$ on it.

And I never remember feeling so good in such a long time- it has to be the TX's from Dr. Davis.  I'm so happy, I feel like I'm finally getting to be myself again.

This tech She use's makes so much sense now, I will see if there might be some info I can find out from her tomorrow - about what the tecnique is called and if she has any info about the "UK".

I'm sure with some persistance you will find a really cool Dr -

And Osteopath Doc's also recieve the training in adjusting the spine- maybe he would just focus on the adjusting th neck?

Please keep me posted - take care :)

Clare

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Judy on August 29, 2011 at 6:17pm

Wow! An American DO who actually still does manipulation!!!!! That is a rarity in our area of Michigan! And we are only an hour away from Michigan State University's school of Osteopathic Medicine. Most of the DOs in our area are just medical doctors w/a DO after their name. Our osteopathic hospital closed years ago and the DOs just practice alongside the MDs in our local hospitals. *sigh*

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Permalink Reply by Mary Z on August 31, 2011 at 11:38am

Is it possible the doc was using fluoroscopy?

Fluoroscopy is an imaging technique commonly used by physicians to obtain real-time moving images of the internal structures of a patient through the use of a fluoroscope. In its simplest form, a fluoroscope consists of an X-ray source and fluorescent screen between which a patient is placed. However, modern fluoroscopes couple the screen to an X-ray image intensifier and CCD video camera allowing the images to be recorded and played on a monitor.

The use of X-rays, a form of ionizing radiation, requires the potential risks from a procedure to be carefully balanced with the benefits of the procedure to the patient. While physicians always try to use low dose rates during fluoroscopic procedures, the length of a typical procedure often results in a relatively high absorbed dose to the patient. Recent advances include the digitization of the images captured and flat panel detector systems which reduce the radiation dose to the patient still further. (Wikipedia)

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 31, 2011 at 12:08pm

Hi Mary:

Good question!

Well I will ask her later today at my app't. - if the daily scan has rads? I would guess it would be low does- since she is very conscientious, caring Dr.

While- The initial evaluation does requires 'one' regular XR, lateral view  of the cervical  spine-

On the other hand, the "scan" is done each visit before and after the adjustment.

I had not thought about the daily scan having any Rads, but today I will inquire about it and share it with you, and write down the exact name of it.  

But even if it does, It's worth it to me to not have to take stronger n stronger meds in order to get thru my day. Currently the only thing I would use is advil as a last resort, but I was getting migraines so often I was thinking to ask for a stronger prescription med for that.  And I knew it would only meet with limited success. So the benefits far out weighs the risk for me. And the Dr. is already suggesting I should only need to go to 2 tx's a week instead of 3.  And so long as I'm improving- and seem to have less or no- more apnea's- which is an interesting wonderful unexpected benefit! I'm so thrilled I wanted to share it with the world! :)

I avoid prescription meds at almost all turns. I feel they are entirely over rated and over prescribed in the US. So far I only take a thyroid med. So if in my case I have a bit more Radiation exposure for a limited amount of time as opposed to - apnea, and adding prescription drugs indefinetly - I'll take the limited amt of Rads over the alternative any day.

Thanks, I'll let you know though. Have a great day.

Clare

 

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 31, 2011 at 12:19pm

Hi Marcia:

Will keep you posted. I go for another TX later today :)

Marcia Herman said:

Clare, I'm in SC and would love to know what the scan process is called. If I can't get it here, I may travel to Hallendale FL! Thanks for mentioning this.

Clare said:

Hi Roger:

The technique my Dr uses is so Simple:

She just has her pt's sitting in a regular chair- while directly in front of the scanner.

She does the scan of the neck and , (forgot the name of the scan machine) it instantly appears on the screen in plain view for the pt and the Dr to see.

This scan show's blood flow or energy in graphs - flowing though - out the neck area.

Plus the scanner measure/ calculates the amt of the subluxation and compares it to the previous scans. I do not totally understand the technology.

She then does the adjustment right there while you sit in the chair and then repeats the scan- and she can get a picture almost instantly of the slignment/ re-alighment of the neck.

Once the neck vertebra are no longer 'pinching' off the nerves- healing can take place!

All I know is that I cannot believe how bad my Neck was and of the 20-30 Chiropractors I have been to in my lifetime- NONE of them practice this technque. And while they helped me in a limited way- I would reach a point when I felt like the adjustments were counter productive, and did not want to go back and spend time and $$ on it.

And I never remember feeling so good in such a long time- it has to be the TX's from Dr. Davis.  I'm so happy, I feel like I'm finally getting to be myself again.

This tech She use's makes so much sense now, I will see if there might be some info I can find out from her tomorrow - about what the tecnique is called and if she has any info about the "UK".

I'm sure with some persistance you will find a really cool Dr -

And Osteopath Doc's also recieve the training in adjusting the spine- maybe he would just focus on the adjusting th neck?

Please keep me posted - take care :)

Clare

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 31, 2011 at 12:27pm

Well Judy:

A good Chiropractor should be able to help. But like in any aspect of life, there's the good the bad and the in between ones.  Once we find good Doc's- we are so happy to share it with even a perfect stranger- if they can help even one other person!

I have gone to DO's in this area that just seem to pass themselves off as reg MD's - guess they are just trying to survive and play the game and pay bills like everyone else.

I thought a good DO would be the best Doc to have, but for Florida- not proving to be true.

The Medical system is so very broken here and driven by profits. We do need to be our own best Dr's to a point. :)

 

Judy said:

Wow! An American DO who actually still does manipulation!!!!! That is a rarity in our area of Michigan! And we are only an hour away from Michigan State University's school of Osteopathic Medicine. Most of the DOs in our area are just medical doctors w/a DO after their name. Our osteopathic hospital closed years ago and the DOs just practice alongside the MDs in our local hospitals. *sigh*

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Permalink Reply by Judy on August 31, 2011 at 8:10pm

Duh! I don't know WHY I immediately thought of doctor of osteophathic when you clearly stated chiropractor!! I guess because I grew up w/and experienced osteopathic care all my life until just the last 10 years. Or - heaven forbid - my reading compehension is gone. Duh.

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Permalink Reply by Clare on August 31, 2011 at 11:44pm

Hi Judy:

Lol, no worries :) -  I think the reference to D.O. was because of a comment from the gentleman from the U.K. He had mentioned it.

And I was also very familiar with D.O."s from childhood. So I like the idea that  a D.O.  might be familiar w/ 'Neck Only' technique? The more I think about it the more it makes sense!

My Mother had a good D.O. amd thought that their philosophy of Treating the patient as a 'Whole" instead of just separate health disorders- made good sense. Too bad the newer ones seem to not remember that.

BTW... Here is the web site for Dr. Davis's practice in case you or someone else would like to check it out:

www.FurshmanandDavis.com

 

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