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dry mouth
I am getting so aggravated with this problem, I am about ready to throw out the machine, well, almost.
I have switched machines, and since then have had this problem. I don't mouth breathe. If I did the sound of the blast of air escaping my mouth would wake me up.
But this problem is causing me to wake up all during the night, so there is really no help in sleeping here. I use a nasal mask, and the machine is a F&P SleepStyle 600. The level is only on 7, so I just don't understand.
I did try a different type mask and still had the same problem.
Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? I would be so grateful.
Peggy
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Permalink Reply by Mary Z on
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Sometimes adjusting your humidity up or down (usually up) will help with the dry mouth. There are also products on the toothpaste aisle made for people with dry mouths- toothpastes, mountwashes and gels.
Good Luck.
Mary Z.
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Permalink Reply by Peggy B. on
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Thanks Mary. I have tried adjusting the humidifier. I am just wondering if the machine is just too forceful with the air. I didn't have this problem with the other machines, and I don't have it when I turn it off, so some how it is machine related. I hate to try those mouthwashes. It seems like I am going to need a bigger medicine cabinet for all this junk.
Bottom line, I just don't like it! It is so uncomfortable, that it wakes me up.
I know..waaa waaa waaa
Mary Z said:Sometimes adjusting your humidity up or down (usually up) will help with the dry mouth. There are also products on the toothpaste aisle made for people with dry mouths- toothpastes, mountwashes and gels.
Good Luck.
Mary Z.
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Permalink Reply by Rooster on
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Peggy, Is it safe to assume you are using a nasal mask or nasal pillows and not a full face mask? You need to be 100% sure you are not mouthbreathing when using a nasal interface because the pressure would be lost and you likely would have breathing events as if you were not treated. It is difficult to be sure you are not mouthbreathing because you are asleep when it happens. It took my wife awakening one night and observing the air flowing from my mouth to make me aware of mouthbreathing.
Now that important caution out of the way, let me tell you how I get excellent relief from dry mouth.
I found a way to use Biotene Dry Mouth Moisturizine Gel, http://www.biotene.com/Products/Gel.aspx , to prevent and relieve dry mouth. I place a small dab of the gel on the tip of my tongue and then place it in my gum over the upper central incisors. When you remove your tongue leave the dab of gel up high in the gum. Be careful to leave it there and not suck it out or touch it with the tip of the tongue. In this position the gel will gradually seep into the mouth over several hours. I have found this can help to moisten my mouth for four to five hours.
Note that this is a different application than the manufacturer's directions. Using the manufacturer's directions relief only lasts a short time.
Good luck.
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Thanks Rooster.
I am 100% positive I am not mouth breathing. I just think it is this machine blasting so forceful. I just hate to use that Biotene. And mainly because I don't like to use anything that is not natural, BUT, in this case, I am going to break down and give it a try.
Again, thank you so much for the info!
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I found a setting on the machine, I am assuming it is sea level...anyways it was at 1500 and so I changed it to 3000. Will see if that helps any tonight.
The whole purpose of a sleep machine is defeated if your mouth is so dry it hurts and wakes you up. And I just don't want to have to use artificial products until everything else has been tweaked and fiddled with!
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Permalink Reply by 99 on
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your water is not wet enough
that is it has between 11 to 15 molecules hydrogen per drop which is to high
suggestion
that you use alkaline ionised water which has about 7 molecules per drop which is wetter and more healthy for your body
the ph should be 7.365 as ideal or perfect
ph = potential hydrogen
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Permalink Reply by Banyon on
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All that bunk about "ionized" and alkaline water is nothing but quackery!
99, Please read this page where it is debunked http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html#ABS
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Thank you for your comment on this.
How would one go about ionizing the water? I had thought about adding some H2O2 to the chamber, but did not want to ruin the tubing.
99 said:your water is not wet enough
that is it has between 11 to 15 molecules hydrogen per drop which is to high
suggestion
that you use alkaline ionised water which has about 7 molecules per drop which is wetter and more healthy for your body
the ph should be 7.365 as ideal or perfect
ph = potential hydrogen
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excellent info
A Simple Way To Make an Alkaline/Acid Charger
- Purchase - one Click-Clack (NZ) 2.4 litre storage container, the upright type, these are thick, fairly rigid plastic.
- One Cuisine 6 litre storage container.
- A rectangular plastic basket/container, for a grill, the type shops use for displaying small parts, it needs to have grid or mesh bottom and sides so that water can pass through, ($2 shops, Emporiums).
- A packet of small plastic screws and nuts about 10mm long, (Electronics parts store, Dick Smiths).
- Two small crocodile clips different colours for positive and negative, (Electronics parts store, Dick Smiths).
- Electric power point adapter 230v - 12v or 24v, some cell phone chargers are 12v. You may find one in a second hand store, (Dick Smiths)
- A synthetic chamois (PVA) (Hammer Hardware).
- Two Stainless Steel plates about 1mm thick, 10cm wide and 5mm higher than the inside of the container. For these containers 10 x 19 and 10 x 22 centimetres
Instructions
- Cut a piece of the basket out at least 10cm square or 10 x 15 cm.
- Mark out one large side of the 2 litre Click-Clack container at least one cm smaller all round than the plastic mesh and the top about 5cm below the top of the container.
- Wedge a block of wood inside the container to support the side and drill as many 6 to 7mm holes as you can.
- Smooth off any burrs on the outside.
- Drill holes in the corners of the plastic mesh for the plastic screws to go through, and every 2 to 3cms along the sides.
- Hold the mesh over the container where it will go and drill a hole through one corner.
- Fit one screw in the corner, then drill through the opposite corner and fit a screw, then the other corners.
- Drill through the holes in the sides.
- Remove the screws and mesh and the block of wood.
- Smooth off the burrs on the inside of the container and the outside.
- Wet the chamois and wring out and cut a piece slightly larger than the plastic mesh.
- Hold the mesh over the chamois on a board and bore holes in the chamois where the screws go through, or mark the holes and then bore holes in the chamois.
- Remove any straggly bits from the chamois and rinse it a few times and wring it out.
- Rinse out the container and dry it.
- Assemble the mesh over the chamois onto the container and fit the screws.
- Rinse out the whole ioniser in and out.
- Cut off the plug on the end of the adapter 12v lead and fit on the crocodile clips, if you have a test meter you can check polarity. Otherwise you can try out the ioniser, the acid water has a brown tinge to it and should be in the large container, if the brown water is in the small container reverse the clips.
- The small container is placed in one corner of the large container with the permeable membrane exposed to the water, the smaller SS plate is placed opposite the membrane, the other plate is placed in the short side of the large container.
- Fill both containers to about one centimetre from the top with water, it is preferable to use a filtering device.
- With a clean membrane the alkaline water will be about 10 Ph in 8 hours but as the membrane gets browner you will need to increase that, my ioniser is left on for 12 hours. You will know it has worked by seeing lots of bubbles on the sides of the container and the water in the large container is brownish. When emptying lift out the small container quickly and tip the water to a corner away from the membrane and into a jug.
A Small Water Ioniser
Two glasses nearly full of water placed together, a stainless steel teaspoon in each leaning against the further extremities, a 6 x 4 cm piece of plastic over the join and a 10 cm long wad of cotton or rayon wool over that. You can use cloth or anything that will allow water to pass through it. Plug in the adapter and connect the crocodile clips to the spoons and switch on, should be ready in four hours. Drink the clear water, put the brownish water on the plants.
It is preferable to use a water filter to eliminate the majority of the pathogens in our water supplies, if you make the colloidal Silver generator a teaspoon of CS in four litres of water stirred around will kill pathogens and viruses.
Banyon said:All that bunk about "ionized" and alkaline water is nothing but quackery!
99, Please read this page where it is debunked http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html#ABS
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I stick with my first reply. This is superstition, quackery, and a scam by those selling equipment.
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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I don't know if it's quackery, but I would not buy anything over the internet. You can PH your own water for almost no money at all.
Banyon said:I stick with my first reply. This is superstition, quackery, and a scam by those selling equipment.
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Peggy,
Sounds like you may have a leak, probably mouth, but maybe interface. Many people have an intermittant mouth leak and the only thing they feel is a dry mouth. Also, you mentioned in a response on Dec 10 that "this machine is blasting" . Most of the time, the feeling that the air is "blasting" is due to the machine trying to make up for a leak, to keep your CPAP level at the proper level. Most people that have a mouth leak don't realize it until they go back into the sleep lab in despiration, and an astute tech notices that the leak reading on the equipment is higher that it should be. Many times, the tech cannot see the leak over the video system, but needs to go into the room and visualize the lips slightly open and a little leak is present. Not big enough to make any sound or wake them up. I have found with my patients, many times a chin strap lightly applied will take care of the issue. However, sometimes anatomical issues prevent even a tight chin strap from fixing this issue. In this case, a good fitting full face mask is necessary.
Sometimes a leak from a poor fitting mask will cause the air going through the humdifier too fast and not pick up enough moisture, and you will get a dry mouth. The machine will also try to make up for the leak and "blast" the air.
My suggestion, if you have a chin strap, try it moderately tightened. If your symptoms go away, you fixed it. If not, arrange for someone to check on you several times during the night. They should look for a slight parting of your lips with a small amount of air coming out between them. This may only happen during REM, so it is necessary to check about every 30 minutes or so all night. If you can't arrange for this, perhaps trying a good fitting full face mack will fix it, or you might need to consider spending the night a night at the sleep center. If you do this, be sure to discuss with the tech what is happening at home and also give the ok to try a full mask should a chin strap not fix it.
If you have a mask leak, either tightening it slighly or a better fitting mask may be necessary. One note, when trying on new masks, it is necessary to have a machine hooked up and running at your pressure to be sure of the fit.
Once the leak is fixed, your dryness will go away, and you will also not feel the air "blasting".
John
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