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what exactly is microsleep
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Permalink Reply by sleepycarol on
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It seems so many kids do not have a structured routine at home. Bedtimes are no exception, with kids going to bed when they feel like it -- even elementary kids.
This has given me food for thought. I am unsure how the information could be put to use when looking at student performance and achievement without someway of identifying those students that are affected by this.
Even factory workers could be in jeopardy. I know that about a year ago there was a fatal accident at one of the local factories. Co-workers stated that this man was extremely careful around his machine and knew the dangers. Co-workers said he was very, very cautious and used all the precautionary safety rules. Yet, in a blink he was pulled into his machine and lost his life. When the accident was investigated it was inconclusive as to what exactly happened. It makes me wonder if this was a possiblity. He worked the graveyard shift, which is notorious for workers having sleep related issues.
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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Children need consistent sleep. It is also important to identify the very individual sleep needs of our children. Not all children are early risers. This is particularly common in teens where natural sleep is best from around 1am to 9am. everyones sleep needs are different.
sleepycarol said:It seems so many kids do not have a structured routine at home. Bedtimes are no exception, with kids going to bed when they feel like it -- even elementary kids.
This has given me food for thought. I am unsure how the information could be put to use when looking at student performance and achievement without someway of identifying those students that are affected by this.
Even factory workers could be in jeopardy. I know that about a year ago there was a fatal accident at one of the local factories. Co-workers stated that this man was extremely careful around his machine and knew the dangers. Co-workers said he was very, very cautious and used all the precautionary safety rules. Yet, in a blink he was pulled into his machine and lost his life. When the accident was investigated it was inconclusive as to what exactly happened. It makes me wonder if this was a possiblity. He worked the graveyard shift, which is notorious for workers having sleep related issues.
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Permalink Reply by Donna B. on
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This is a very interesting subject this Microsleep. This might be a little off topic but....
I recall when my boys were in high school, they are 18 months apart in age. The older one would not go to bed no matter how much we nagged him. The younger one would go to bed at the same time each night and awake before anyone else in the morning, he had perfect attendance at school all 4 years. We struggled with bedtime with the oldest for 4 long years. He slept when he felt like it, napped in the afternoons, stayed up late most nights and was a bear to deal with in the morning.
I find it interesting now that they are 22 and 20, that my youngest is now in the military while the oldest is not doing much of anything with his life. Could it be that their sleep history has anything to do with their lives now?
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Donna that is a really good question. I will look into it. WOW what a question. My mind is a terrible thing to send on a mission.
My sleep was very sporatic until I was almost 30. I did not do much until then. My oldest daughter does not get conistent sleep. She does really well in school but not much else. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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My oldest son didn't sleep well, even as a baby. He could go to bed at 2 or 3 a.m. and be up at 6 a.m. rearing to go. At the time my husband worked construction and we took turns sleeping (Tony was born in January) so that we could be awake with him. He didn't nap much during the day -- much to everyone's surprise. He has always been able to do with very little sleep, but he has major problems with depression. Tony didn't hold a steady job until he graduated from college at 30. He seems like he is happy with teaching and has settled down. His sleep pattern is still a problem at times.
My second son was typically in bed by 9 p.m. and liked routine. Even as a baby he went to bed early and awoke early (typically 9 p.m. to 6 or 7 a.m.). He was the "happy" baby in our family. He, also, was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 3. He, afar as I have been able to tell, doesn't suffer from depression -- or at least not to the degree some of my other children do. He has been very successful in any job he has ever had (he just turned 33). He still goes to bed early and arises early.
My other children are between these two as far as their sleep patterns and work history, depression issues.
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Permalink Reply by susan mccord on
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I'm finding this entire Discussion thread fascinating.....you guys are awesome!!
Susan McCord :-)
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Permalink Reply by ZEEMADMAN on
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Micro Sleep is Great. Especially at 70 or 75 Miles an Hour! If You do wake up You'll be miles ahead! Ask any Truck Driver hauling 80 or 100 thousand pounds. Explosives and Rocket Fuel are the best! They actually make a Device now that Fits on Your Ear like a Hearing Aid and Monitors Your Head Movements. It Sounds an Alarm if You Start to Nod Off! They were also working on one that Monitors Your Eye Movements for Aircraft, Trucks, Equipment Operators, etc.. Anyplace where to Sleep could actually mean To Die! Having been an Undiagnosed Sleep Apnea Patient for several years I know exactly what a lack of REM Sleep can do. You get a Little Twitchy. Well actually You become Quite Psychotic! Oh Yeah! Fact. Psychotic Equals Dangerous to Yourself and Others! Not that they didn't deserve it! But REM Sleep is Essential. There is NO SUBSTITUTE that I'm Aware Of! Not Yet. But I'm sure their working on that. I've also heard of a Pill that will wipe out Your Body Clock that was developed for Shift Workers. The Military was supposedly interested in it? Sorry I don't know the name of that Medication. It was Not a Stimulant. It just allowed You to decide when You wanted to Sleep.
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Permalink Reply by Rooster on
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Donna B. said:This is a very interesting subject this Microsleep. This might be a little off topic but....
I recall when my boys were in high school, they are 18 months apart in age. The older one would not go to bed no matter how much we nagged him. The younger one would go to bed at the same time each night and awake before anyone else in the morning, he had perfect attendance at school all 4 years. We struggled with bedtime with the oldest for 4 long years. He slept when he felt like it, napped in the afternoons, stayed up late most nights and was a bear to deal with in the morning.
I find it interesting now that they are 22 and 20, that my youngest is now in the military while the oldest is not doing much of anything with his life. Could it be that their sleep history has anything to do with their lives now?
I would not worry about the history, but instead look into what is going on now. Laziness, lack of energy, and lack of motivation are symptoms of sleep-disordered breathing.
What about the oldest one: What are his sleep habits now? Does he snore? Is he overweight? Does he have crowded teeth? Has he had permanent teeth removed because of overcrowding of teeth? Does he have all four wisdom teeth? Does he have a recessed chin, an overbite, or a scalloped tongue?
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So one man's "microsleep" is another man's "oops, I was thinking about something else." If that man is sleepy, somebody, somewhere, would probably call it a "microsleep," whether it really is or not, according to others.
The science is inexact, at best, in my opinion. But that is OK, since sleep medicine is still in its infancy.
If you put those same 2 patients on an an EEG or PSG you would see the difference between daydreaming and microsleep. microsleep is a 1-15 second burst of theta activity. there is nothing wrong with the science as long as you use the right equipment. A PVT is used to test attention not sleep.
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Permalink Reply by 99 on
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How many feet per second when traveling at 85 MPH? 85 Miles per Hour = 124.67 Feet per Second
How many feet per second when traveling at 9 mph?
9 miles/hour * (5280 feet/mile) * (1 hr/3600 s) = 13.2 ft/s
How many feet per second at 60 mph?
88 feet per second.
How many feet per second when traveling 14 mph?
14 mph = 20.533 ft per sec
How many feet per second are you traveling at 1 mph?
1.46 feet per second at 1 mph
i am interested to hear about the device that monitors movement like a hearing aid do you have any more information
ZEEMADMAN said:Micro Sleep is Great. Especially at 70 or 75 Miles an Hour! If You do wake up You'll be miles ahead! Ask any Truck Driver hauling 80 or 100 thousand pounds. Explosives and Rocket Fuel are the best! They actually make a Device now that Fits on Your Ear like a Hearing Aid and Monitors Your Head Movements. It Sounds an Alarm if You Start to Nod Off! They were also working on one that Monitors Your Eye Movements for Aircraft, Trucks, Equipment Operators, etc.. Anyplace where to Sleep could actually mean To Die! Having been an Undiagnosed Sleep Apnea Patient for several years I know exactly what a lack of REM Sleep can do. You get a Little Twitchy. Well actually You become Quite Psychotic! Oh Yeah! Fact. Psychotic Equals Dangerous to Yourself and Others! Not that they didn't deserve it! But REM Sleep is Essential. There is NO SUBSTITUTE that I'm Aware Of! Not Yet. But I'm sure their working on that. I've also heard of a Pill that will wipe out Your Body Clock that was developed for Shift Workers. The Military was supposedly interested in it? Sorry I don't know the name of that Medication. It was Not a Stimulant. It just allowed You to decide when You wanted to Sleep.
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Fascinating and informative discussion. I gave up my driving privileges voluntarily b/c of concerns related to my ability to fall asleep behind the wheel - quite unknowingly - and the growing number/potency of meds I was and continue to be on. DUI's have progressively begun to include all drugs, whether legal or not and whether prescribed or not. It tends to make the potential for an accident while taking pain meds - particularly if disabled an/or dealing with chronic pain - that much more risky behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. It is also especially germaine to me since I was badly injured in a car accident where the person at fault was driving a modified vehicle for disabled drivers who ultimately caused me to become disabled. I do not enjoy being restricted and unable to drive, however I also refuse to place myself in a position whereby I am responsible for causing someone else to become disabled. Instead, I chose to eliminate the risk.
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Cheryl thanks for that insight. I know it had to be a very difficult decision for you.
I know I live in a rural area and there aren't many means of alternative methods of transportation around here. That means that those that shouldn't drive, do as it can be hard to find ways of getting around. We have many small communities around our town that have populations of less than 500 that do not have access to groceries, etc. unless they drive here. We have a population of 20,000, but have our doctors, a hospital, and other necessary services. So that means all the small towns have to find a way here to get needed services.
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