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I know we have the American Sleep Apnea Association, and believe me, they have a hard job and have done a lot of good on behalf of Sleep Apnea patients. What I'd like to know is, irrespective of what the American Sleep Apnea Association is doing for patients, what should a patient advocacy/ lobbying group do on our behalf?
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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Because I criticise walmart im clueless and consider myself above others? That makes no sense Rooster. I also make no defense for DMEs. I have declared that system to be broken in several post. I offered a different view other than yours. In the world of choices that you preach these opinions would be welcome. In reality you lash out at any view other then your own.
Capitalism is the opposite of democracy. One is built on educated decisions made by the people to support the majority. The other strives on those that are strong to feed on the week. In order for the the Walmarts to survive a great majority of our population must be poor and uneducated. It was also the walmarts that ran out the other buissnesses taking away the job choices of the single mothers. My mother worked for walmart for 15 years before suffering brain cancer and being let go. I have seen first hand how walmart deals with the public and their employees.
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If being for the people is leftist thinking then I will never be far enough in that direction.
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Reply by Rock Hinkle
(Democracy) is built on educated decisions made by the people to support the majority.
And now some news for you that they stopped teaching in the government schools you attended sometime after the United States Department of Education was created in 1979.
The U.S. is not a democracy and we do not want a democracy. The U.S. is a Constitutional republic which is what we do want and which is part of what makes this country great. Our Constitution protects the rights of the individual and the rights of minorities regardless of what the democratic majority might want.
A democracy is a mob rule that will trample on the rights of individuals and minorities - that is why we do not want to be a democracy. Now we do decide some things, like who our public officials and representatives will be, by a democratic vote. However, those public officials and representatives swear to uphold the Constitution and this binds them to protect the rights of individuals and the rights of minorties against the wishes of the democratic majority. What a great system! We need to stick to it.
Reply by Rock Hinkle
(Capitalism) strives on those that are strong to feed on the week.
Capitalism is the tool that has allowed billions of the weak to become strong. Capitalism is the engine that has pulled billions out of poverty worldwide in the last two centuries. Capitalism relies on a rule of law that protects free voluntary exchanges (no coercion!) between individuals and businesses.
Capitalism has no overarching objective, since it works through the profit-seeking efforts of millions of capitalists. It generates economic growth, prosperity, and employment as side-effects. In 1800 it is estimated that 65% of the world's population lived in poverty. Today it is estimated that at most 25% live in poverty. Over the last two hundred years, capitalism has achieved the largest gain in well-being in all previous millennia!
You are going to be lonely because your friends on the far left, the Chinese communists, have even realized this. In 1978 they started reforms and in 1992 began accelerating reforms to develop a capitalist economy. In the 1990s an unrestrained process of privatization of state companies took place in China. According to a World Bank report, capitalism in China has reduced the population living in poverty from 65% in 1981 to 4% in 2007. Wow! (But they need to move on and add social freedom, and individual and minority rights to their capitalist system.)
Rock, you are in bad shape on your education and understanding of economics, society, world history, capitalism, U.S. history and government, and democracy. My suggestion is you use your next vacation to spend a week at my house and start to get caught up on this. We will use a rapid learning technique. I will bring in some much smarter guys than me to help you.
I promise not to make you go shopping with me at WalMart (no one is forced to shop or work there) and I will not serve you anything I bought at WalMart.
Let me know as soon as you get it scheduled.
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Lol! A vacation at your house would be most interesting im sure. Unfortunately I am in the process of relocating my family to Co. All my time is time off is pretty busy right now.
We should probably start our relationship off with a dinner and see how it goes. Ill even buy. I like the Rush Limbaugh meets Ralph Nader theme.
I do eat Walmart food as I said. Lol
Rooster said:Reply by Rock Hinkle
(Democracy) is built on educated decisions made by the people to support the majority.
And now some news for you that they stopped teaching in the government schools you attended sometime after the United States Department of Education was created in 1979.
The U.S. is not a democracy and we do not want a democracy. The U.S. is a Constitutional republic which is what we do want and which is part of what makes this country great. Our Constitution protects the rights of the individual and the rights of minorities regardless of what the democratic majority might want.
A democracy is a mob rule that will trample on the rights of individuals and minorities - that is why we do not want to be a democracy. Now we do decide some things, like who our public officials and representatives will be, by a democratic vote. However, those public officials and representatives swear to uphold the Constitution and this binds them to protect the rights of individuals and the rights of minorties against the wishes of the democratic majority. What a great system! We need to stick to it.
Reply by Rock Hinkle
(Capitalism) strives on those that are strong to feed on the week.
Capitalism is the tool that has allowed billions of the weak to become strong. Capitalism is the engine that has pulled billions out of poverty worldwide in the last two centuries. Capitalism relies on a rule of law that protects free voluntary exchanges (no coercion!) between individuals and businesses.
Capitalism has no overarching objective, since it works through the profit-seeking efforts of millions of capitalists. It generates economic growth, prosperity, and employment as side-effects. In 1800 it is estimated that 65% of the world's population lived in poverty. Today it is estimated that at most 25% live in poverty. Over the last two hundred years, capitalism has achieved the largest gain in well-being in all previous millennia!
You are going to be lonely because your friends on the far left, the Chinese communists, have even realized this. In 1978 they started reforms and in 1992 began accelerating reforms to develop a capitalist economy. In the 1990s an unrestrained process of privatization of state companies took place in China. According to a World Bank report, capitalism in China has reduced the population living in poverty from 65% in 1981 to 4% in 2007. Wow! (But they need to move on and add social freedom, and individual and minority rights to their capitalist system.)
Rock, you are in bad shape on your education and understanding of economics, society, world history, capitalism, U.S. history and government, and democracy. My suggestion is you use your next vacation to spend a week at my house and start to get caught up on this. We will use a rapid learning technique. I will bring in some much smarter guys than me to help you.
I promise not to make you go shopping with me at WalMart (no one is forced to shop or work there) and I will not serve you anything I bought at WalMart.
Let me know as soon as you get it scheduled.
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Reply by Rock Hinkle
We should probably start our relationship off with a dinner and see how it goes. Ill even buy. I like the Rush Limbaugh meets Ralph Nader theme.This is going to be more of a challenge that I thought. I am not at all a fan of Rush Limbaugh.
(Dinner should be at the Subway inside our local WalMart.)
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Im a big fan of subway. I grew up with Jarred.
Rooster said:Reply by Rock Hinkle
We should probably start our relationship off with a dinner and see how it goes. Ill even buy. I like the Rush Limbaugh meets Ralph Nader theme.This is going to be more of a challenge that I thought. I am not at all a fan of Rush Limbaugh.
(Dinner should be at the Subway inside our local WalMart.)
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Permalink Reply by Charles McDermott on
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Not that this post or some of the above posts has anything to do with OSA but I find something very interesting. The above posts mention WalMart and US manufacturers. The real problem is not the business that is engaged in (retail or manufacturing) but the people who run it. And that is where the problem starts.
WalMart started out just fine and many manufacturing companies the same. Only when the chief operating officers "want to make more money" does the efficiency and integrity of the company start to slide.
Which is why in something as serious as sleep apnea we need to hpole DME's and sleep doctors as accountable as possible and not be afraid to question what they say.
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j n k said, "Frankly, we could all get that exact same level of service a lot cheaper from WalMart, couldn't we?"
j n k, You da man!
And it is so easy to hpole WalMart accountable. If they don't make you happy, just buy from someone else.
Brave CPAPers don't need regulators and bureaucrats - we can take care of ourselves.
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i think the first step in getting help with your sleep problems is getting your medical doctor to really listen to your complaints about your sleep problems or any problems , i do not think most doctors understand how serious it can be and some doctors do not even care . i had a medical doctor that i tried for over a year to get help with my sleep disorder but she just did not act like she heard me much less even care so i went for over a year without help so i took it on myself to go to a sleep specialist to find out what the problem was and found out i had sugnificient obsrutive sleep apnea and restless leg syndrone and poor sleep quality 56 % poor sleep quality. NO WONDER I WAS NOT GETTING THE SLEEP I NEED ! do not know until i really look at the report how many times i stopped breathing and also hypoapnea so not know the difference between the 2 . do not really know what i am looking at on the report , the oxygen level went down to 82 % lowest level during the episodes.
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Permalink Reply by Mary Z on
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I agree it's hard to get doctors to listen and hear you. That's why I think it's important to go to them with one major problem at a time and really have your facts in order. I mean use both barrels- this is a problem and you're not helping me, who can you refer me to?
Not to say it's our fault they don't listen, but just give them one thing to concentrate on with something this serious. Many times if we investigate, wwe don't need referrals to a specialist. Or we can just tell our doc that we need a referral.
I hate to think of someone going over a year miserable because her doc didn't know what we over his/her head.
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you are right about seeing them for one problem at a time but with me having diabestes and high blood pressure i have to go see her every 3 months and to keep me from having to have extra office visits with extra copay try to get everything in at one time which maybe was a mistake on my part but think they need to listen to their patients and act like they care rather they do or not i am not the only one that had problems with this doctor i have found out last week other people have left this practice due to this doctor.
going a year with all the sleep problems i have had has not been easy, should never have waited a year to take charge of my health care , am so glad the sleep apnea did not do any heart damage. am so glad i was not working when the sleep disorder got worse.
hope you have a good night , am anxious to go for my sleep study with the cpap , after talking to my brother-in-law and others i am seeing where it has really helped them so i am anxious to get started on this journey.
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So jnk you think that you could get the same level of service that you are receiving RIGHT NOW from Walmart? I have read your posts where you talk highly of both your doc and equipment provider. You honestly think that Wally world could do better?
You're smarter than that, and I think you know better.
j n k said:Anyone in business is in it to make money--so if that is the problem with the sleep-medicine business, we are all doomed. The job of officers is always to maximize profits.
Sleep docs tend not to say much beyond "you need a sleep test" and "my people will fax the Rx to your DME" and "please see the receptionist on the way out" and then occasionally "let me know if you have any problems, as long as you continue to have insurance."
DMEs tend not to say much other than "who is your insurance?" and "here is your machine, the cheapest we could find, so we can make the most money!"
Frankly, we could all get that exact same level of service a lot cheaper from WalMart, couldn't we?
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