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Another diet, Grrrr! You diet??
Anyone here lose weight after Dx of apnea?
Was there a change in your apnea? Quality of sleep?
I am ramping myself up (my internalized pep rally) over the days to come.
Big diet day starts on the 1st.
I'm tired of dieting but even worse than being tired of dieting is being tired of the excess weight. Sleep has been bad ever since getting sick (allergy/cold) and tossing CPAP due to constant coughing during night and suffocating. The allergy mucous is getting better. I hope to be back on machine all night long within a couple more nights. Maybe that will help soften my frustration, depression, anger, irritation regarding dieting. I need to get myself evolved to a place where eating healthy and sensibly is a positive non-eventful necessity of life rather than a thorn in my growling hungry stomach.
Anyone have words of encouragement or advice ...............?????............????
Good night everybody. Hope you all sleep well.
Barbara
Was there a change in your apnea? Quality of sleep?
I am ramping myself up (my internalized pep rally) over the days to come.
Big diet day starts on the 1st.
I'm tired of dieting but even worse than being tired of dieting is being tired of the excess weight. Sleep has been bad ever since getting sick (allergy/cold) and tossing CPAP due to constant coughing during night and suffocating. The allergy mucous is getting better. I hope to be back on machine all night long within a couple more nights. Maybe that will help soften my frustration, depression, anger, irritation regarding dieting. I need to get myself evolved to a place where eating healthy and sensibly is a positive non-eventful necessity of life rather than a thorn in my growling hungry stomach.
Anyone have words of encouragement or advice ...............?????............????
Good night everybody. Hope you all sleep well.
Barbara
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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Here's some statistics from an Australian research study that should give you some motivation to make it work:
weight loss also impacts sleep:
"An Australian study reported that obese individuals (a group of over 300 patients who received a surgical procedure to help weight loss) not only showed significant sleep problems, but also showed a reduction of these problems with weight loss:
1. Habitual Snoring (82%) reduced to 14%
2. Observed sleep apnea (33%) reduced to 2%
3. Abnormal daytime sleepiness (39%) reduced to 4%
4. Poor sleep quality (39%) reduced to 2%"
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Maybe this will motivate me to start on the diet i've been flirting with. i am pre-diabetic and my doctor is encouraging me to lose a lot of weight.
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Permalink Reply by Sugarshirl on
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Hi Barbara,
Having excess weight really makes everything worse and at this point, we need to stop dieting and learn how to change our lifestyle habits. Ha! That is much easier said than done, right? I just lost 130 pounds, but I cheated, 60 pounds were lost my first 6 days in ICU, but it was a wakeup call and since October I have lost 70 more on my own. All the things you are feeling are normal, but damaging to you and your attempt to get into a positive frame of mind. I felt that eating was such a pleasurable experience and that I was being deprived when I couldn't eat what I wanted. It's the mind-set you need to get into and you can do it, more easily when you are not tired or sick. Get better and then be happy about taking charge of your eating habits. I used to eat three big meals a day and felt great when I was actually eating them, but felt awful afterwards. A good way to cut down on some of the things you like to eat is to eat smaller portions, the doctors told me to eat five meals a day and it has helped a lot. The quality of sleep I am getting now is much better, there is much less pressure on my chest so of course my breathing is easier. Once you feel better after getting good sleep, the energy seems to snowball, you get more exercise and that will help you to lose weight. I hope I helped a little and please feel free to contact me if you want to. Good luck, hang in there, it doesn't happen overnight and you will win in the long-run.
Regards,
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Permalink Reply by BeeAsleep on
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Oh well, I was hoping that after my first night using my xPAP the next morning would find me 40 pounds thinner! I keep thinking of my xPAP as a diet tool. :>D
I am exercising and writing down everything I eat. A pain, but at least I know being lighter will make breathing easier.
Sugarshirl said:Hi Barbara,
Having excess weight really makes everything worse and at this point, we need to stop dieting and learn how to change our lifestyle habits. Ha! That is much easier said than done, right? I just lost 130 pounds, but I cheated, 60 pounds were lost my first 6 days in ICU, but it was a wakeup call and since October I have lost 70 more on my own. All the things you are feeling are normal, but damaging to you and your attempt to get into a positive frame of mind. I felt that eating was such a pleasurable experience and that I was being deprived when I couldn't eat what I wanted. It's the mind-set you need to get into and you can do it, more easily when you are not tired or sick. Get better and then be happy about taking charge of your eating habits. I used to eat three big meals a day and felt great when I was actually eating them, but felt awful afterwards. A good way to cut down on some of the things you like to eat is to eat smaller portions, the doctors told me to eat five meals a day and it has helped a lot. The quality of sleep I am getting now is much better, there is much less pressure on my chest so of course my breathing is easier. Once you feel better after getting good sleep, the energy seems to snowball, you get more exercise and that will help you to lose weight. I hope I helped a little and please feel free to contact me if you want to. Good luck, hang in there, it doesn't happen overnight and you will win in the long-run.
Regards,
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Permalink Reply by Barbara on
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Mike
I wrote a page long reply to your post about being pre-diabetic and trying to diet.
After re-reading it I clicked DELETE thinking it best that I not “out” myself as being such a nut after only being at this site for only a short period of time. Basically I went preacher on you with tons of advice and motivation. Rather than torture you with that I’ll cut it short and write: if there is anything I can do or say to help you prevent the development of diabetes I am at your service. I wish I had known years ago what I know now that I have to manage my diabetes on a daily basis. I wish you all the luck in the world in your efforts to prevent the disease.
And thank you for the stats on weight loss. I scrubbed the kitchen, including refrig, today. Still in prep mode. Ate healthy today without any binging. Guess it’s an ok place to start.
Sugarshirl,
WOW and congrats on that weight loss. Oh I bet you feel like you could float away like a feather in the wind. I’m so happy for you. Sorry the beginning was in ICU. If I may ask was ICU because of a weight related medical problem or was it unrelated? Yes, your post does help. It is a reminder that this is not impossible and I should not feel so hopeless. I might be yelling for your support in the future so brace the speakers on your puter lol. Thanks!
BeeAsleep,
I didn’t think about that auto weight loss the night after strapping on CPAP. I got ripped off on that deal too. Like you I am journaling my food. Will get back in pool swimming laps this coming week (have not been at gym during my cold/allergy/flu/ear infection mess). But ear is no longer a problem so the pool awaits. Good luck to you and thanks for replying.
Barbara
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Permalink Reply by RockRpsgt on
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I just recently read that having BMI(bodymassindex) of over 30% can increase the risk of infectious diseases by 65%.
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Barbara -- i want to hear the whole 9 yards, because right now i'm not motivated enough. probably because i'm not educated enough about just how bad things can get and how quick. if you don't want to send me something public, feel free to send me a private message.
Barbara said:Mike
I wrote a page long reply to your post about being pre-diabetic and trying to diet.
After re-reading it I clicked DELETE thinking it best that I not “out” myself as being such a nut after only being at this site for only a short period of time. Basically I went preacher on you with tons of advice and motivation. Rather than torture you with that I’ll cut it short and write: if there is anything I can do or say to help you prevent the development of diabetes I am at your service. I wish I had known years ago what I know now that I have to manage my diabetes on a daily basis. I wish you all the luck in the world in your efforts to prevent the disease.
And thank you for the stats on weight loss. I scrubbed the kitchen, including refrig, today. Still in prep mode. Ate healthy today without any binging. Guess it’s an ok place to start.
Sugarshirl,
WOW and congrats on that weight loss. Oh I bet you feel like you could float away like a feather in the wind. I’m so happy for you. Sorry the beginning was in ICU. If I may ask was ICU because of a weight related medical problem or was it unrelated? Yes, your post does help. It is a reminder that this is not impossible and I should not feel so hopeless. I might be yelling for your support in the future so brace the speakers on your puter lol. Thanks!
BeeAsleep,
I didn’t think about that auto weight loss the night after strapping on CPAP. I got ripped off on that deal too. Like you I am journaling my food. Will get back in pool swimming laps this coming week (have not been at gym during my cold/allergy/flu/ear infection mess). But ear is no longer a problem so the pool awaits. Good luck to you and thanks for replying.
Barbara
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Permalink Reply by sleepycarol on
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How interesting -- approximately two weeks ago I went to the doctor cause I have gained about 40 pounds since school started. My weight had been stable for several years and I hadn't been motivated to lose. I am lazy (there I confessed) and my weight started ballooning when I went back to college at the age of 35. When I started teaching at the age of 40, it ballooned again and then stayed fairly consistent over the years. I am now 54.
She concerned and ordered blood work as she figured my thyroid was acting up (it runs in the family). Well it checked out okay -- but the diabetes one wasn't okay. My sugar levels are in the diabetes range but are low enough she put me on a strict diet to see if shedding weight would help.
I hate to say it ---- but I love carbs. Flour and sugar are my best friend. Love pastas, cakes, pies, breads, donuts, potatoes, corn, the list goes on and on. Who needs anything else -- right? I was drinking a half-gallon of chocolate milk every day and a half. That is my drink of choice. It had to be whole milk chocolate milk -- and not that 2% watered down stuff.
She wants me on a very strict liquid protein diet. I purchased the first week supply of stuff at the cost of $120 for the week. It consisted of 3 boxes of diet food with 7 envelopes of "meals" each. You mix each envelope with 4 to 5 ounces of water. For supper, you eat 5 ounces of fish that has been baked and 2 cups of turnips or other allowed "veggies". Of course these veggies are all ones that such as algae, alfalfa, collards, chicory, leeks, okra, watercress, fiddleheads, endive, and others along this line.
It didn't take me long to realize that I couldn't handle that. I am now in the process of using SlimFast and a very sensible evening meal (usually some type of protein limited to 5 ounces and 1/2 small baked potato or salad). I have dieting now for one week and have lost a total of 9 pounds.
Maybe we can support each other in our quest to lose weight. After all we all have sleep apnea and many of us do need to lose some.
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Yea SleepCarol, NINE POUNDS! Way to go. Just like learning to use the xPAP, learning to change your health habits is hard. We all want a fast, quick fix. A pill will do. :>D I realized that anything I really wnat requires effort. I wanted weight loss to be easy. But just like learning to push through the hard night of wearing the xPAP, I want to do the right thing for my whole body by pushing through, one step at a time to get healthy.
sleepycarol said:How interesting -- approximately two weeks ago I went to the doctor cause I have gained about 40 pounds since school started. My weight had been stable for several years and I hadn't been motivated to lose. I am lazy (there I confessed) and my weight started ballooning when I went back to college at the age of 35. When I started teaching at the age of 40, it ballooned again and then stayed fairly consistent over the years. I am now 54.
She concerned and ordered blood work as she figured my thyroid was acting up (it runs in the family). Well it checked out okay -- but the diabetes one wasn't okay. My sugar levels are in the diabetes range but are low enough she put me on a strict diet to see if shedding weight would help.
I hate to say it ---- but I love carbs. Flour and sugar are my best friend. Love pastas, cakes, pies, breads, donuts, potatoes, corn, the list goes on and on. Who needs anything else -- right? I was drinking a half-gallon of chocolate milk every day and a half. That is my drink of choice. It had to be whole milk chocolate milk -- and not that 2% watered down stuff.
She wants me on a very strict liquid protein diet. I purchased the first week supply of stuff at the cost of $120 for the week. It consisted of 3 boxes of diet food with 7 envelopes of "meals" each. You mix each envelope with 4 to 5 ounces of water. For supper, you eat 5 ounces of fish that has been baked and 2 cups of turnips or other allowed "veggies". Of course these veggies are all ones that such as algae, alfalfa, collards, chicory, leeks, okra, watercress, fiddleheads, endive, and others along this line.
It didn't take me long to realize that I couldn't handle that. I am now in the process of using SlimFast and a very sensible evening meal (usually some type of protein limited to 5 ounces and 1/2 small baked potato or salad). I have dieting now for one week and have lost a total of 9 pounds.
Maybe we can support each other in our quest to lose weight. After all we all have sleep apnea and many of us do need to lose some.
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I saw the new site for weight loss/Apnea (great idea) but will post here one last time before moving over there. Don’t have time to read new posts there tonight. Looking forward to going there when I get back home in a couple days.
Quicky for now:
Mike,
What is your fasting blood glucose? What are your high glucose numbers? Insulin levels? Triglycerides? Cholesterol? Blood pressure? Why does your doc say you are pre-diabetic (lab results etc...)?? Can you give me some details and I will PM you if I can figure out how to do it.
SleepyCarol,
I lost 40 pounds in 1 month doing Slimfast - Oh my god it was wonderful. It stops the worry of food. Everything is so simple and quick. My favorite was the chocolate malt powder in a blender with ice and 1/4 of a banana OMG! Delish. But a quicky warning - watch your intestines. I had to go off the plan when the Slimfast blocked small intestine. The pain was equivalent to kidney stones and it was not an easy thing to fix. I was lucky to be at work with emergency docs and internists all around me. Turns out it was terribly embarrassing but also rather frightening at the time. If you like bananas you gotta try one with the chocolate malt :o)
BeeAsleep,
Looks like my journey will be a long one this go round. I am being strongly encouraged to do it right this time (whatever that means). Slow wins the race or some such crud. I have more fun crash dieting and losing a ton fast so I can hurry up and go eat whatever I want. Not this time. Oh well. I saw psychologist today and got my homework assignment for the next 14 days. BORING!! First is I am not to obsess, not to weigh, go ahead and get environment ready, bla bla bla. I’m sure having this wonderful attitude of mine will help tremendously LOL.
Barbara
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the reason the doctor said i am pre-diabetic is because i took a fasting blood glucose test which came out at 106 mg/DL -- does that mean anything to ya?
Barbara said:I saw the new site for weight loss/Apnea (great idea) but will post here one last time before moving over there. Don’t have time to read new posts there tonight. Looking forward to going there when I get back home in a couple days.
Quicky for now:
Mike,
What is your fasting blood glucose? What are your high glucose numbers? Insulin levels? Triglycerides? Cholesterol? Blood pressure? Why does your doc say you are pre-diabetic (lab results etc...)?? Can you give me some details and I will PM you if I can figure out how to do it.
SleepyCarol,
I lost 40 pounds in 1 month doing Slimfast - Oh my god it was wonderful. It stops the worry of food. Everything is so simple and quick. My favorite was the chocolate malt powder in a blender with ice and 1/4 of a banana OMG! Delish. But a quicky warning - watch your intestines. I had to go off the plan when the Slimfast blocked small intestine. The pain was equivalent to kidney stones and it was not an easy thing to fix. I was lucky to be at work with emergency docs and internists all around me. Turns out it was terribly embarrassing but also rather frightening at the time. If you like bananas you gotta try one with the chocolate malt :o)
BeeAsleep,
Looks like my journey will be a long one this go round. I am being strongly encouraged to do it right this time (whatever that means). Slow wins the race or some such crud. I have more fun crash dieting and losing a ton fast so I can hurry up and go eat whatever I want. Not this time. Oh well. I saw psychologist today and got my homework assignment for the next 14 days. BORING!! First is I am not to obsess, not to weigh, go ahead and get environment ready, bla bla bla. I’m sure having this wonderful attitude of mine will help tremendously LOL.
Barbara
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Mike, here is a little touch of my long note to you. I ramble - sorry. I have TONS and TONS more if you ever get in the mood to be yelled at lol. I will follow this post with a link to a page I REALLY REALLY would like for you to read. Please read it when you have a free minute. It is much more CONDENSED, powerful & informative. Very important stuff for you to read.
I will post here with the intent being that no one (other than you Mike) will read here (since weight topic has moved to new place) and this will decrease the chances that people will do one of those cyber attacks on me for writing a bunch of whooHa. Things that some doctors disagree with. I don’t want to get yelled at and get my feelings hurt. It might bring out the tacky in me lol.
I may be having a hard time losing weight BUT when it comes to managing my diabetes numbers I AM AMAZING!!!! My numbers are now better than a lot of very healthy non-diabetics. I jumped on this when diagnosed and I totally took care of it! I did I t the same way I quit smoking - full force, all out perfection was what I expected from myself and my doctor. So when you see me writing about how pathetic I am with weight loss it does not apply to MY diabetic care. I know this diabetes stuff (my level of diabetes) like the back of my hand - so well that I can manipulate foods and activities and control the heck out of glucose while still, unfortunately, staying fat lol.
Your fasting 106 test does tell me something - although not a lot. It depends on a few things like the length of time fasting etc... But what it DOES say is that if your number had been well under 100 (like in the low 80's for example) your doc would not have told you that you are pre-diabetic. While saying that I will also say that 106 is not a panic attack type number - which is wonderful news for you. Do not read into that that you are ok and can forget this. It means you are semi ok right now and you are well within the range to fix this on your own if you start NOW and not wait until it is too late. [Down to earth preachy talk - what I would say to my own brother - ‘time to get your sh*t together sweetheart’.]
Here are a few ideas to consider (remember I am not legally qualified to even tell you how to apply a bandaid).
**Go buy yourself a glucose monitor and a bottle of test strips.
Price range is anywhere from FREE to 100 dollars. I like the free ones best :o). I see rebates (free) available on monitors almost every week. If your wife does the shopping just ask her to keep an eye out in the Walgreens/RiteAid/CVS sales flyers for the next few weeks. She’ll run across a free offer.
Like I said, 106 is not a panic attack number so you can afford to wait until you run across a free meter. Oh, in the Sunday Walgrees flyer (this week) there was a monitor on sale for $15.00 that had a $30.00 mail in rebate. So you could make 15 bucks buying that one :o). Might not be in your area - I live in Alabama.
Test strips will not be free but prevention is worth it. If you develop diabetes you will spend more money in the first month after diagnosis (yes, in one month) than you will spend in the next 10 years buying preventative test strips to do occasional monitoring. For real!
Test strips are where the pharm companies make their money. If you had to test 18 times a day I would tell you to forget price of meter and look at price of test strips - find cheapest test strips (some type of store brand) and then go buy the meter that matches those cheap-o test strips. But since you will rarely test it’s of little consequence so just do whatever is easiest for you. Of course if you lost all your money in AIG in the past 6 months - we can re-think this :o). Off brand or brand names - either is fine and will not make much difference. If you are a baby when it comes to getting tiny pokes with a itty bitty needle poker be sure to get a monitor that advertises as "alternative testing site appropriate". Reason - poking finger tips is not comfortable. Finger tips are sensitive - very sensitive. However "alternative site testing" can be done and you will not feel ANYTHING. Specific areas on thighs, arms, stomach etc.... areas where the concentration of nerves is nothing compared to fingertips. At alternative sites there will be many times you will have to look down to make sure you got a drop of blood because you will not feel the poke at all.
Ok, so what do you do with this monitor after you get it? Since your number was 106 you don’t need to do a lot. Not like friends I have who did not catch theirs at a pre-diabetic level and now have to test their blood 12 or more times every damn day - so sad. Two guys I know are now on the waiting list for kidney transplants.
If I was you I’d try to get in the habit of doing a fasting test maybe once every month or two. This means that on a Monday night for example, after you eat dinner do not eat any snacks before bed. When you wake up on Tues morning (after at least 8 hours since eating dinner) BEFORE you eat any breakfast test your glucose level. Some people would say this is overkill since your number was 106. So what. It’s only 6 - 12 fasting tests per year. It’s really no ones business but yours anyway. Total cost to you for 12 fasting tests in a year, if you pick up a free monitor with low to moderate priced strips, anywhere from $2.00 to $12.00 for the YEAR. How can anyone debate the merits of that - talk about cost effective!
The other times I would do preventative testing in your case is on the rare occasion (very rare occasion I’m sure) when you go bonkers and eat like a wild starving animal with a sugar addiction. Thinking of a good example....... ok, you wake up and although uncommon you and wife drop by IHOP and eat a pile of pancakes dripping in buttery hot sugary syrup. Yall get busy running errands and eat a fast food burger type lunch. That night you end up at a friends house for a get-together. Turns out they are serving a massive Italian feast of white pasta, garlic bread, tiramisu with hot sweet rum coffee etc...... This day is filled with sugar (simple carbohydrates) which makes it an ideal test day to see how your body is processing the abundance of carbohydrates.
We can chat about number guidelines (goal numbers) and timing of test later - if you decide to do any of this. These are the basics for testing when already a diabetic: after 8 hour fast, pre and post meals, post meal tests at 1, 2, and 3 hours.
It’s much easier to just not develop diabetes in the first place.
As far as number guidelines - there’s some minor controversy there as well. Guidelines can vary between American Diabetes Association, American Endocrinology Association, research agencies, & even individual researchers. The discrepancies are NOT huge but sometimes people can get into big fights over small differences in numbers. I will not post numbers here. If you decide to do any of this we can chat about the range you might want to shoot for based on the combined thoughts of all the major agencies/associations/your own doctor/ect..
**Even if you do not run out and go on some wild insane weight loss program and drop down to 75 pounds in the next 2 weeks (key work there being insane) DO pick out a couple of weight LIFTING habits that you will start doing and keep doing forever and ever. Pardon my unladylike bluntness but here is an example: I can almost guarantee that you go to the bathroom at your house at least once a day (meaning the sit down type - not the stand up man type). This is an event that will be with you for life. Not going away (we hope anyway). Take advantage of it to create a new habit that can REALLY help you. If you are a bathroom/toilet “reader” this example might not be a good one for you - especially if reading while sitting on toilet is a routine you don’t want to change. I have no idea what your muscle strength is so I’ll toss out a couple examples. Say you do not work out at all and the most weight lifting you do is picking up a pen to sign paperwork. In this case you could get 2 cans of soup and sit them in the bathroom next to the toilet. If you are a little bit stronger get two 5lb bags of flour (tie them up in a shopping bag and make yourself a handle to grasp on to. Or go buy some weights - whatever. EVERYTIME you sit down on that toilet pick up the soup/flour/weights (whatever) and work out your arm muscles. HABIT Habit Habit. Everyday. You gotta sit there anyway - no way around it. As I would tell my own brother, "DO IT!!!" Even a SLIGHT increase in muscle mass/volume in your body will increase the rate that your body burns glycogen (sugar) while you are watching tv, reading at the computer, sleeping etc... I use biceps as an example but if you can figure out a way to get a larger muscle group build up even a small amount that’d be great. Big muscles are the thigh muscles and butt muscles - those are actually huge muscles and if you can build them up you will burn a ton of sugar/carbohydrates (even while you are asleep). Thought: if you have a dog who comes running to be loved on whenever you sit down to watch the news - rub his tummy with your foot and do some leg lifts using the dogs body weight. Dog will love it and you could create that into a HABITUAL weight lifting motion to ward off diabetes. Whatever you do - DO IT habitually and don’t stop. Try to get it to a place where you don’t even think about it (like the toilet idea thing). No need to have a goal of being Governor Arnold - that level is not needed for a 106 glucose. Simply get a couple of your muscles built up, strong and sturdy. Make your goal for your wife to not freak out when she sees your biceps but if she grabs your arm in 6 - 9 months she should do a double squeeze and ‘notice’ a change in the feel. Does that make sense? Hard, firm, tight muscle will burn sugar. Massive bulging muscles that frighten your wife are not needed - unless you are just into that type thing.
**There are MANY natural foods/supplements/vitamins/minerals/etc... that help promote the metabolism of glucose so that it is burned off quicker and not floating around in your blood damaging and killng your bits and pieces (eyes, heart, kidneys, liver, pancreas, skin, penis, immune system, etc...). Since your number is semi ok at 106 I will not get into this hard core (it could be a book in itself). But I’ll hit what I see to be the very basics. Take a daily multi vitamin. My own prejudice: does not need to be expensive but avoid the .99cent store. Research has shown those imported from China do not have the levels of nutrients they claim to have. Lead & toxins are always a concern with cheapo imports. GNC may be high price ( I don’t know) but from what I have read there is nothing wrong with a good non-imported store brand that covers a variety of vitamin needs (Walgreens/CVS/Centrum for men/etc..). I have read in many places that pre-diabetics/diabetics have a list of nutrient deficiencies or at least on the low side of normal. Check your multi vitamin and make sure it covers the basics (RDA) well: C, E, B’s especially Folic Acid/folate & a bit of niacin, Selenium, Magnesium, Calcium, D, Omega-3 fatty acids (fish or flax derived),**Chromium**, etc.... If you eat breakfast standing at the kitchen sink keep your bottle of multi vitamins sitting right there at the sink. If you sit at the table for breakfast keep the bottle there. Make it easy on yourself to not forget. If your urine turns bright yellow or greenish it usually means your body is getting rid of excess that you don’t need to metabolize. Your milage may vary and I write this knowing that if anyone has any type medical problem that vitamin intake could worsen then obviously you wouldn’t hook up an IV to GNC ;o). For example there are people with blood clotting disorders who would be an absolute FOOL to "play" with vitamins the way I do. Vitamin K can save a life and it can kill. Reminder: I am not legally qualified to give instructions on how to open a bottle of aspirins.
*CINNAMON* for some people drops glucose dramatically - if taken in a specific type way. It can be powerful. I have also talked to people who get zero decrease in blood sugar levels with it. I guess it depends on individual body chemistry. We can talk about this one a lot if you want to.
Gotta get to an appointment
Remember, If I can help you in your prevention efforts in any way - just say the word and I’m there for you!!
Barbara
Mike said:Barbara -- i want to hear the whole 9 yards, because right now i'm not motivated enough. probably because i'm not educated enough about just how bad things can get and how quick. if you don't want to send me something public, feel free to send me a private message.
Barbara said:
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