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Oral Systemic Balance (dental device)
Hello, I was asked to post this as a new discussion topic. I wanted to provide some information on the Oral Systemic Balance (OSB). I am not a dentist, I am a professor. I have had migraines for 36 years, have had every treatment from acupuncture to Zanadine (muscle relaxant). The migraines usually came twice a week, and lasted 1-3 days. You can see how this would define my life. I got the OSB (oral systemic balance) dental device from Dr. Lawler, and have not had a migraine in 3 months. I'm one of the people Dr. Lawler has videotaped. All I can say is, I hope the dental and medical communities embrace this research so others can benefit as I have. Dr. Lawler is studying with Dr. Farrand Robson of Tacoma Washington.
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Permalink Reply by Rooster on
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"The bottom line is that of over 5400 species of mammals, we are the only species that commonly deals with crooked teeth. This problem is directly due to our underdeveloped jaws that occur from poor nutrition, excess sugar consumption, bottle feeding, etc.
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All dog breeds are descended from wolves. Their descent started thousands of years ago when some wolves started to hang around human settlements and camps. These "camp wolves" were, of course, tamer than wild wolves and interacted to some degree with the humans. When they had offspring, the humans kept the tamer offspring and killed the more aggressive offspring. Thus came about some rapid evolution of the wolves and over thousands of generations of camp wolves, the dog developed. The dog had a very different jaw than the wolf because it was no longer necessary to have the power to kill and cut up large mammals.
In more modern times man learned not only to select pups from the litter but also to do intensive crossbreeding. The dogs that exist today are anatomically very different from wolves and so are their jaws and their diets.
Man has done to the dog's jaw through selection, crossbreeding and diet change, the same thing that he has done to himself.
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Permalink Reply by 99 on
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Rubbish
evouton teaches things improve by adabtation
and yet in the same breath you say that the bad things were because they were no longer nessisary
you can not have it both ways it is ethier one or the other not both
or were you talking about selection and breeding which is entirly diffrent
eg when a white man marry a different culture any children will be a mix of the two but it is still human
or take the teeth of a lion or tiger on close inspection they are not designed to eat meat and yet they eat meat
l=
Rooster said:"The bottom line is that of over 5400 species of mammals, we are the only species that commonly deals with crooked teeth. This problem is directly due to our underdeveloped jaws that occur from poor nutrition, excess sugar consumption, bottle feeding, etc.
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All dog breeds are descended from wolves. Their descent started thousands of years ago when some wolves started to hang around human settlements and camps. These "camp wolves" were, of course, tamer than wild wolves and interacted to some degree with the humans. When they had offspring, the humans kept the tamer offspring and killed the more aggressive offspring. Thus came about some rapid evolution of the wolves and over thousands of generations of camp wolves, the dog developed. The dog had a very different jaw than the wolf because it was no longer necessary to have the power to kill and cut up large mammals.
In more modern times man learned not only to select pups from the litter but also to do intensive crossbreeding. The dogs that exist today are anatomically very different from wolves and so are their jaws and their diets.
Man has done to the dog's jaw through selection, crossbreeding and diet change, the same thing that he has done to himself.
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Triple X, I would like to engage you in a debate about evolution and big cat teeth or penguin teeth, but this thread about the wonderful life-changing results two members are achieving with OSB therapy should not become extinct or xxx-stink.
Looking forward to more posts about OSB.
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Permalink Reply by David E. Lawler DDS D.ABDSM on
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Rooster said:Triple X, I would like to engage you in a debate about evolution and big cat teeth or penguin teeth, but this thread about the wonderful life-changing results two members are achieving with OSB therapy should not become extinct or xxx-stink.
Looking forward to more posts about OSB.
I appreciate the opportunity to get this discussion back on track. I believe that this is a rare opportunity to have a very important discussion because of both Carol's and Carl's willingness to share their experience.
It is important to look at both the similarities and the differences between Carol's and Carl's conditions. In both situations the tongue, or rather the lack of tongue space, was the villain. Based on a home study with a Watch PAT done several years ago before I was aware of OSB, I am certain that no sleep lab in the country would have given Carol a diagnosis of sleep apnea. If there was a particularly enlightened sleep physician looking at her study he may have recommended an oral appliance to manage her upper airway resistance but that rarely happens. Usually people with this situation are told they have no problem and sent home. Had an oral appliance been used for night time use, she might have gotten some symptom relief, but certainly not the kind that she receive with an OSB orthotic used for much of the day as well as the night. Those of you who have seen the video of her treatment appointment will have seen that her symptom relief from pain was virtually immediate. There was also noted an increased ease of breathing(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXEjePEJGgo ) Prior to using the orthotic, Carol described her breathing as very shallow.
While Carol had virtually no oxygen desaturation during sleep, Carl had severe sleep apnea with an apnea/hypopnea index of 71, low oxygen of 61% and with almost an hour of his study with oxygen levels below 89%. Coupled with his severe sleep apnea and the point of this whole discussion is that he also had a significant amount of head and neck pain. Carl noticed a significant change in his swallowing and breathing during the first appointment when his daytime appliance was seated ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plNzckQGUTE ) and some relief of neck stiffness at the same appointment. I am grateful to Carl for consenting to have this video posted online.
So the similarities between the two are lack of tongue space, some degree of difficulty swallowing, shallow breathing, and head and neck pain. The difference is the degree to which the tongue became problematic during sleep.
What I would like to know from the members of this forum is how many people who have been diagnosed with or suspect that they have sleep apnea also have head, neck and shoulder pain, shallow breathing during the daytime, and some degree of difficulty in swallowing. The difficulty in swallowing can be quite obvious as in choking on food, water or saliva or as inconspicuous as merely having trouble swallowing large pills. Sometimes there is merely a feeling of tightness in the throat, an inability to tolerate a turtleneck sweater or even feeling as if something is stuck in the throat.
Again, the point of this discussion is that breathing is a 24 hour a day event. The tongue has an effect on breathing during the day as well as during sleep. Comments please.
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Permalink Reply by Judy on
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David Lawler said:
"The difficulty in swallowing can be quite obvious as in choking on food, water or saliva or as inconspicuous as merely having trouble swallowing large pills. Sometimes there is merely a feeling of tightness in the throat, an inability to tolerate a turtleneck sweater or even feeling as if something is stuck in the throat."
Yup, yup. So much of that is me.
having trouble swallowing large pills
choking on food, water or saliva
a feeling of tightness in the throat
feeling as if something is stuck in the throat
inability to tolerate a turtleneck sweater (I've practically lived in loose fitting turtle necks almost my entire adult life - now I can't tolerate them or even low collars that fit loosely close to the base of my throat.
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Another piece of the puzzle in those who have a inadequate jaw space for the tongue that has yet to be discussed is the effect on the autonomic nervous system. The autonomic nervous system takes care of those essential body activities that do not require our conscious thought such as breathing and swallowing. Certainly we can consciously control a swallow or voluntarily increase the rate of which we breathe for a short time, but almost allways these activities occur without our conscious thought.
The autonomic nervous system is divided into the sympathetic and parasympathetic branches. Think of the sympathetic branch as being the accelerator that helps you in the "fight or flight" situations we encounter in life and the parasympathetic as the brake where we realize that the situation is now safe. If there is a swallow dysfunction, no matter how minor, the sympathetic nervous system senses the possibility of choking and goes into hyperdrive (producing adrenalin) with each swallow. The body, understanding that it cannot tolerate any fluid or food in the "windpipe" instantly braces each of the over 1000 swallows per day. The degree to which it braces and produces adrenalin depends on the level of dysfunction in the swallow. Because of this extra adrenalin production, people with swallow dysfunction often experience "panic attacks" or experience "anxiety for no apparent reason". They often describe themselves as "nervous persons". In reality, they are often not nervous at all but are merely feeling the chemical effect of the adrenalin production that is necessary for them to breathe and not choke.
When the swallow dysfunction is managed with an orthotic in the mouth that changes the tongue position and function, the body instantly senses that it can relax (the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system). This virtually immediate relaxation is responsible for the almost instantaneous relief of pain that is seen in the following video clip: http://www.youtube.com/user/centerforsoundsleep#p/a/u/0/BE1-p66R3zY This is why after the placement of an OSB orthotic patients often report feeling relaxed. If Carol or Carl are still following this thread, it would be interesting to get their perspective on this.
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Permalink Reply by Mary Z on
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So, Dr. Lawyer, if it's been mentioned I don't remember it- how do we find a dentist in our area the does the Oral Systemic Balance Device.
Thank you,
Mary Z.
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Yes, I thought I had anxiety disorder. Turns out I did not. DO not. I thought the pain was my fault. It was amazing to get both the physical relief and the emotional relief. I masked my chronic pain because I had a basic optimisim that someday I would learn how to not be so tense. Imagine my amazement when I got the OSB and the pain stopped.
David E. Lawler DDS D.ABDSM said:Another piece of the puzzle in those who have a inadequate jaw space for the tongue that has yet to be discussed is the effect on the autonomic nervous system. The autonomic nervous system takes care of those essential body activities that do not require our conscious thought such as breathing and swallowing. Certainly we can consciously control a swallow or voluntarily increase the rate of which we breathe for a short time, but almost allways these activities occur without our conscious thought.
The autonomic nervous system is divided into the sympathetic and parasympathetic branches. Think of the sympathetic branch as being the accelerator that helps you in the "fight or flight" situations we encounter in life and the parasympathetic as the brake where we realize that the situation is now safe. If there is a swallow dysfunction, no matter how minor, the sympathetic nervous system senses the possibility of choking and goes into hyperdrive (producing adrenalin) with each swallow. The body, understanding that it cannot tolerate any fluid or food in the "windpipe" instantly braces each of the over 1000 swallows per day. The degree to which it braces and produces adrenalin depends on the level of dysfunction in the swallow. Because of this extra adrenalin production, people with swallow dysfunction often experience "panic attacks" or experience "anxiety for no apparent reason". They often describe themselves as "nervous persons". In reality, they are often not nervous at all but are merely feeling the chemical effect of the adrenalin production that is necessary for them to breathe and not choke.
When the swallow dysfunction is managed with an orthotic in the mouth that changes the tongue position and function, the body instantly senses that it can relax (the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system). This virtually immediate relaxation is responsible for the almost instantaneous relief of pain that is seen in the following video clip: http://www.youtube.com/user/centerforsoundsleep#p/a/u/0/BE1-p66R3zY This is why after the placement of an OSB orthotic patients often report feeling relaxed. If Carol or Carl are still following this thread, it would be interesting to get their perspective on this.
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Permalink Reply by Carl Speas on
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I have always been a very intense person. I always had to busy and going 90 miles per hour if I stopped I was finished almost to the point of collasping. Since using the OSB appliance I have become very calm almost a weird calm, many people that know me have commented about how much calmer I am now. The tigtness or heaviness I felt on my throat left immediately when OSB appliance was installed the first time. It has been an amazing, I still wonder at times can this be real this new me, most of all this new body. I have had more than 1 doctor over the years try to convince me that I was mental and I tried many of their treaments none of them worked, OSB works.
I have 2 different Auto Immune diseases that have caused much pain the past few years.
I have been virtually pain free since starting this treament. I no longer have hip pain, leg cramps, knee pain, hand and foot pain since starting this treatment, these things were a nightly occurence for me waking all hours of the night. My neck has been reduced to a point of almost not there (Scale of 1 to 10 my neck pain is 1 now was over 10 before) I feel in time it will be gone completely. If this is a dream do not let me wake up!
carl
David E. Lawler DDS D.ABDSM said:Another piece of the puzzle in those who have a inadequate jaw space for the tongue that has yet to be discussed is the effect on the autonomic nervous system. The autonomic nervous system takes care of those essential body activities that do not require our conscious thought such as breathing and swallowing. Certainly we can consciously control a swallow or voluntarily increase the rate of which we breathe for a short time, but almost allways these activities occur without our conscious thought.
The autonomic nervous system is divided into the sympathetic and parasympathetic branches. Think of the sympathetic branch as being the accelerator that helps you in the "fight or flight" situations we encounter in life and the parasympathetic as the brake where we realize that the situation is now safe. If there is a swallow dysfunction, no matter how minor, the sympathetic nervous system senses the possibility of choking and goes into hyperdrive (producing adrenalin) with each swallow. The body, understanding that it cannot tolerate any fluid or food in the "windpipe" instantly braces each of the over 1000 swallows per day. The degree to which it braces and produces adrenalin depends on the level of dysfunction in the swallow. Because of this extra adrenalin production, people with swallow dysfunction often experience "panic attacks" or experience "anxiety for no apparent reason". They often describe themselves as "nervous persons". In reality, they are often not nervous at all but are merely feeling the chemical effect of the adrenalin production that is necessary for them to breathe and not choke.
When the swallow dysfunction is managed with an orthotic in the mouth that changes the tongue position and function, the body instantly senses that it can relax (the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system). This virtually immediate relaxation is responsible for the almost instantaneous relief of pain that is seen in the following video clip: http://www.youtube.com/user/centerforsoundsleep#p/a/u/0/BE1-p66R3zY This is why after the placement of an OSB orthotic patients often report feeling relaxed. If Carol or Carl are still following this thread, it would be interesting to get their perspective on this.
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Mary Z said:So, Dr. Lawyer, if it's been mentioned I don't remember it- how do we find a dentist in our area the does the Oral Systemic Balance Device.
Thank you,
Mary Z.
Mary, I would suggest calling Dr. Robson's office at 800-977-1945. They are very aware of who is practicing OSB at a high level of care.
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head, neck and shoulder pain, shallow breathing during the daytime, and some degree of difficulty in swallowing...having trouble swallowing large pills.
Check, check & check. I am really hoping for an oral device. I'll have to ask the dr. about this one. I was thinking maybe just a tongue retaining one. I posted a moment ago about why it feels like my (already gigantic) tongue grows to twice it's size by the time I wake up in the morning.
David E. Lawler DDS D.ABDSM said:
Rooster said:Triple X, I would like to engage you in a debate about evolution and big cat teeth or penguin teeth, but this thread about the wonderful life-changing results two members are achieving with OSB therapy should not become extinct or xxx-stink.
Looking forward to more posts about OSB.
I appreciate the opportunity to get this discussion back on track. I believe that this is a rare opportunity to have a very important discussion because of both Carol's and Carl's willingness to share their experience.
It is important to look at both the similarities and the differences between Carol's and Carl's conditions. In both situations the tongue, or rather the lack of tongue space, was the villain. Based on a home study with a Watch PAT done several years ago before I was aware of OSB, I am certain that no sleep lab in the country would have given Carol a diagnosis of sleep apnea. If there was a particularly enlightened sleep physician looking at her study he may have recommended an oral appliance to manage her upper airway resistance but that rarely happens. Usually people with this situation are told they have no problem and sent home. Had an oral appliance been used for night time use, she might have gotten some symptom relief, but certainly not the kind that she receive with an OSB orthotic used for much of the day as well as the night. Those of you who have seen the video of her treatment appointment will have seen that her symptom relief from pain was virtually immediate. There was also noted an increased ease of breathing(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXEjePEJGgo ) Prior to using the orthotic, Carol described her breathing as very shallow.
While Carol had virtually no oxygen desaturation during sleep, Carl had severe sleep apnea with an apnea/hypopnea index of 71, low oxygen of 61% and with almost an hour of his study with oxygen levels below 89%. Coupled with his severe sleep apnea and the point of this whole discussion is that he also had a significant amount of head and neck pain. Carl noticed a significant change in his swallowing and breathing during the first appointment when his daytime appliance was seated ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plNzckQGUTE ) and some relief of neck stiffness at the same appointment. I am grateful to Carl for consenting to have this video posted online.
So the similarities between the two are lack of tongue space, some degree of difficulty swallowing, shallow breathing, and head and neck pain. The difference is the degree to which the tongue became problematic during sleep.
What I would like to know from the members of this forum is how many people who have been diagnosed with or suspect that they have sleep apnea also have head, neck and shoulder pain, shallow breathing during the daytime, and some degree of difficulty in swallowing. The difficulty in swallowing can be quite obvious as in choking on food, water or saliva or as inconspicuous as merely having trouble swallowing large pills. Sometimes there is merely a feeling of tightness in the throat, an inability to tolerate a turtleneck sweater or even feeling as if something is stuck in the throat.
Again, the point of this discussion is that breathing is a 24 hour a day event. The tongue has an effect on breathing during the day as well as during sleep. Comments please.
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