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I'll preface all this by saying SleepGuide.com is probably the only place on the internet where you can have an intelligent discussion about anything that might cast CPAP in a negative light, given the financial interests of the other venues out there for education and support (read: people who want to sell you CPAP).  But I went to my doctor the other day and we got into a debate about whether if my next sleep study shows that my weight loss has reduced my AHI to acceptable levels, whether I should get off CPAP.   I argued against it, since my perception is that everyone has obstructed breathing at some point when they sleep and that positive airway pressure can only help keep the body oxygenated and healthy, even if the level of obstruction does not rise to the clinically approved definition of an apnea or hypopnea event.  The doctor disagreed, saying that reliance on CPAP reduces muscle tone in the tongue and that it can actually make you worse off.  He likened it to wearing a cast on your foot that keeps the foot immobilized -- sure that is needed at times, but when you don't use those muscles, you lose them.  

What do you all think?

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You make me laugh Jay. It's obvious you don't understand the nature of sleep and it's neuro muscular effects. Im sure that their success at strenghtening the muscle worked very well. If you work out a muscle it gets stronger. All the strength in the world will not help you when the muscle tone drops to 0%.

 

Evolution questionable.....that's funny. I love it when people have agnostic views on evolution.

Jay Polatnick said:

Maybe, 'evolution' (which is questionable) is not a death sentence after all ?

I just started experimenting with my 'LipTrainer' www.LipTrainer.com and there is actually valid research from hospitals in Japan in reference to strengthening the relevant muscles.

As for fate being hardwired in your DNA, that is suspect to as per the study of Epigenetics and

the work of Bruce Lipton, Ph.D http://www.brucelipton.com/



RockRpsgt said:

I haven't seen too many positive results with this type of thing either Lynn. I just think it's sometimes better to let some learn for themselves. Apnea is caused by a lack of muscle tone(muscle atonia). This is a safety mechanism to keep us from acting out our dreams. It's a product of evolution. You can add strength to whatever muscles you want but when the tone is gone it's gone. I honestly believe the cure the cure for this will cause an even bigger problem somewhere else in our systems. Cna't fight evolution.

Lynn said:

Oh really, Been singing for years. I still have sleep apnea.

Marcia Herman said:

Well, this article seems to agree with the doc - well, sort of. The news is excellent, BTW!

FWIW, I'm seeing a speech therapist on Monday for the exact mouth, tongue, and throat issues. Can't wait to see what happens then!

RockRpsgt, your innate humor comes through in your posts as well.  Very refreshing.

RockRpsgt said:

You make me laugh Jay. It's obvious you don't understand the nature of sleep and it's neuro muscular effects. Im sure that their success at strenghtening the muscle worked very well. If you work out a muscle it gets stronger. All the strength in the world will not help you when the muscle tone drops to 0%.

 

Evolution questionable.....that's funny. I love it when people have agnostic views on evolution.

Jay Polatnick said:

Maybe, 'evolution' (which is questionable) is not a death sentence after all ?

I just started experimenting with my 'LipTrainer' www.LipTrainer.com and there is actually valid research from hospitals in Japan in reference to strengthening the relevant muscles.

As for fate being hardwired in your DNA, that is suspect to as per the study of Epigenetics and

the work of Bruce Lipton, Ph.D http://www.brucelipton.com/



RockRpsgt said:

I haven't seen too many positive results with this type of thing either Lynn. I just think it's sometimes better to let some learn for themselves. Apnea is caused by a lack of muscle tone(muscle atonia). This is a safety mechanism to keep us from acting out our dreams. It's a product of evolution. You can add strength to whatever muscles you want but when the tone is gone it's gone. I honestly believe the cure the cure for this will cause an even bigger problem somewhere else in our systems. Cna't fight evolution.

Lynn said:

Oh really, Been singing for years. I still have sleep apnea.

Marcia Herman said:

Well, this article seems to agree with the doc - well, sort of. The news is excellent, BTW!

FWIW, I'm seeing a speech therapist on Monday for the exact mouth, tongue, and throat issues. Can't wait to see what happens then!

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