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colloidal silver

a humidifier can be used with colloidal silverthis can keep the humidifier clean for day maybe weeks or longer without the need to clean the humidifiersilver colloidal is antimicrobial and you could just top up your humidifier without cleaning and at the same time treat your bodyor you just put silver on it own into the humidifierSee More
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richard graham posted a status
"I feel like the humidifier is making me feel yucky and I'm waking up hacking and having to clear my throat a lot for a while."
Nov 3
richard graham posted a discussion

what's a good AHI?

I've been using and auto and it says my AHI HAS been between 4 and 6 and wondering what's a good range.
Nov 2
Andy posted a discussion

Resmed S10 AirSense - Anyone have one? Any feedback?

Hi All,I've just ordered a new Resmed S10 AirSense, and I was wondering if anyone here has used one?Any information or input would be appreciated!See More
Sep 29
Andy replied to Andy's discussion Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??
"Hi All, Well, I went to the sleep doc today, and he ordered a new S10 for me! I still don't know why my S8 is not tracking data anymore. Anyone have any ideas?"
Sep 29
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Sep 25
liz4cps commented on liz4cps's group Prince William Co, VA support group
"Just found they have a Facebook for the REMedy event, 1st Class Sleep REMedy Wellness Health Fair."
Sep 25
liz4cps commented on liz4cps's group Prince William Co, VA support group
"Reminder: REMedy event is this Saturday, 10 am to 2pm.  Topics include: Nutrition and Weight Management with Sarah Kelly, Registered Nutritionist/Dietitian Oral Appliance Therapy for Sleep Apnea with Drs. Rena Vakay & Lara…"
Sep 25
Kay Day left a comment for Kay Day
"September 1, 2014 My apologies to Sleep Guide for not participating in a long time. In January 2012 I started classes at the local community college (my husband is an instructor there, and my tuition is refunded when my grades are above a C. My…"
Sep 1
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Sleep apnea increases risk of osteoporosis

Sleep apnea/osteoporosis study finds “increased” health riskA recently published study may have found a connection between obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) and osteoporosis, marking yet another health…See More
Aug 23
Mary Z replied to ZolliStar's discussion Non-invasion approach that can relieve mild sleep apnea
"Hi ZolliStar, I've heard before that speech therapy, or singing lessons can help sleep apnea.  The problem at that time was there was no way to determine which exercises help.  Getting research done, rather than anecdotal would be…"
Jul 28
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Non-invasion approach that can relieve mild sleep apnea

Some people report that singing -- singing! -- really helps their sleep apnea. Dr. Stephen Park said that myology (which are exercises to strengthen muscles around the inside of one's mouth area) helps some. I think singing would be better.  If you read all the FAQs on this (click below), I think you'll agree that it makes sense for some. Maybe you. More
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Jul 20
liz4cps commented on liz4cps's group Prince William Co, VA support group
"I talked to Kimberlie at the Novant Sleep lab last week (at Prince William Hospital) and she said they would not be holding any meetings this year but are planning to start holding meetings again next year.  I'll let you know when we have…"
Jul 14
richard graham posted a status
"I just have mask called the Wisp. Hope it works. Anybody have experience with it. I have an ultra mirage nasal mask and get leaks at brid"
Jul 9
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Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??

Hi All,First off, my apologies for not checking in for a long time.I've been using my Resmed S8 AutoSet II for almost 3 years! I feel great, have lost almost 30 lbs, am no longer sleepy during the day, sleep through the night, and have my short-term memory back.Yay!I've told my doctors that I'm the "poster child" for Sleep Apnea and CPAPs! It's been, and continues to be, such an amazing experience that I want everyone to know!Everything has been going well in CPAP-land, but in the last few…See More
Jul 7
hifay replied to richard graham's discussion mouth breathing
"What type of chin straps?"
Jul 6
Ginny Edmundson replied to Ginny Edmundson's discussion Scheduled for evaluation and possible procedure next day
"No real improvement in sleep study.  Just not having to use cervical neck color.  What a bummer. Surgeon wants another sleep study in about a month or so (home one) Not sure if will do or not. "
Jun 22
Mary Z replied to Ginny Edmundson's discussion Scheduled for evaluation and possible procedure next day
"Ginny, how are you doing after the tongue procedure?"
Jun 22
Mary Z posted a discussion

AHI finally under five.

I have been on CPAP since March 2008 and had a good AHI when I started therapy (under 5).Then my AHI started getting worse- for a while it stayed in the 20's, then we got it to the high teens.  Nothing we did would help.  My doctor said it was due to the meds I take.  For a couple of years I just tolerated the high AHI.  I did another sleep study and changed to an ASV machine.  For two years I still had a AHI around 11-13.  Then all of a sudden - a month ago I noticed my AHI was running five or…See More
Jun 22

Did the Old Man in "It's Raining, It's Pouring" Die from Sleep Apnea?

i really enjoyed this article speculating as to the fate of the old man in the famous nursery rhyme (emphasis my own):


Vancouver has been experiencing some typical rainy weather the last few days which -- in our home at least -- means quite a few renditions of the classic nursery rhyme:

It's raining; it's pouring.
The old man is snoring.
He went to bed and bumped his head.
And he couldn't get up in the morning.

And, as often happens when someone starts singing that rhyme, I wonder: What does that last line mean exactly?

Why couldn't the old man get up in the morning? Did he die? Fall into a coma? Or was he just too lazy to get up?

To my surprise, after a fair bit of time spent searching online -- far too much time, really -- I couldn't find a clear answer.

There were lots of sites where people asked the same question, with dozens of people weighing in with their own opinion.

But no definitive evidence of what the actual intention of the original song was -- at least in part, I imagine, because the exact origins of the song are unclear.

One of the few hints I did find was in the Wikipedia entry on the song, which actually renders the last lyric as: "And he wouldn't get up in the morning." Which, hopefully for the old man, suggests that he just didn't want to get up, as opposed to not being able to.

And while I didn't find an answer to my question, I did -- in my search -- stumble across a pretty hilarious 2003 study from the Canadian Medical Association Journal that complained that "several popular nursery rhymes portray head injuries as inevitable events that do not require medical follow-up."

The section of the tongue-in-cheek paper on the old man in "It's raining, it's pouring" is particularly funny -- and specifically addresses the confusion around exactly what happened:

There are two versions [of the rhyme] The first version is presented above, but the second one changes the sequence of events so that the old man "bumped his head" then "went to bed."

Obviously, establishing the exact sequence of events is crucial to the creation of a differential diagnosis.

If the elderly gentleman bumped his head after retiring for the evening, one is forced to entertain potential foul play, seizure activity or even a postcoital MI (there is no evidence to confirm the commonly held belief that he was alone).

Also, it should be noted that he was "snoring." Could his death have been precipitated by severe obstructive sleep apnea?

If he actually bumped his head before going to sleep, the list of potential mechanisms is endless, and a good forensic investigation is required to determine the cause of death.

The notoriously poor documentation of factors precipitating head injury in nursery rhymes makes it impossible to determine what really happened in this case as well as others.

The CMAJ study also dissects the head injuries in five other nursery rhymes, including Jack and Jill, Humpty Dumpty, Hush-a-bye-baby and 10 Little Monkeys (you know, the ones who jumped on the bed and bumped their heads).

What about you? What do you think happened to the old man in the rhyme?

Tags: apnea, man, nursery, old, pouring, raining, rhyme, snoring

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This Old Man was, and and do mean was, a remarkable Human Being. He was quite famous. The Old Man and the Sea, yes this was the same old man ! After spending days fighting a huge Black Marlin, Depriving himself of hours of sleep he needed. Only to find that Sharks had they're way with his posible World Record Fish. Imagine the heartbreak? The knick nac paddy wac stuff was always very hard on him. The sadness he must of felt when Neil Young asked him to take a look at his wife, was she a lot like his? I don't think so! Only a few years earlier the Beatles made sport of him calling him a Mean Old Man, over and over again! He Grandfather was compared to a River, for Gods sake! Steven Foster was very cruel at times. A few years ago everyone was reminded that this was "No Country for Old Men" !! They taunt him even in his Grave! I think bumping his head was the least of his problems. Just the fact that he was snoring is enough to say that Sleep Apnea was his ancor that dragged him down to the bottom of that dark lonely Sea. Peace be with you OLD MAN.
OH , BOY!!!
I surmised the nursery rhyme is describing this…
It’s raining and the Old man shuffled along and slipped. He hit his head resulting in a severe Occipital concussion. The old man in shock went to bed. The injury continued to worsen as blood broke through the damaged area. A clot formed and the brain continued to swell. The pressure began to affect the breathing center of the brain.
The snoring described could have been a result of the bodies lowered blood pressure as a result of the sub arachnoid bleed. As the body’s blood pressure lowered, and brain pressure increased, the barrel receptors kicked in flooding fluids into the circulatory system to increase blood pressure overloading the lungs and surrounding tissues. The death rattle is mistaken for snoring, which may have characteristics of sleep apnea/ snoring. Now in a coma the Old man doesn’t get up in the morning. He dies due to his injury.
Just my opinion.
...or just maybe
Now the Brothers Grimm may have a different take...
The Old man stumbled home in the rain after being in town viewing a fine lady upon a white house and drank his weight in ale. He arrives home and it continues to rain. After eating cakes, potatoes and lamb he falls asleep. His wife awakens him, his snoring is keeping the children awake and to tell him the roof is leaking. He is agitated and slaps the kind old lady growls at the startled children. He goes to the bed. There in front of the bed is a puddle cause from the roof leak. He slips and hits his head on the bed board and is out cold. The families seeing their chance grab pillows and hold them over the old man’s face.
In the morning the Kindly Old Woman recants to the local constable...
It was raining, pouring actually and my dear husband was snoring sitting in his chair near the fire. I awakened him and sent him to bed. He slipped on a wet spot fell and bumped his head, and simply didn’t get up this morning.
I believe that you are right about the ale. I also think that he was having an affair with the woman that lives in the shoe. After getting home, where he passed out in the doorway, his wife found lipstick on his collar. Snoring on the living room floor is the last memory his family has of him.
I really thought this thread would take off and be number one.

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