Zeo Sleep Monitor, does it work? ( not a pitch) - SleepGuide2024-03-29T06:51:08Zhttps://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/zeo-sleep-monitor-does-it-work?commentId=2549090%3AComment%3A72816&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Jon for putting out th…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-15:2549090:Comment:750592010-07-15T21:18:09.732ZMatthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/MattJohnson
Thanks Jon for putting out the effort and giving us your honest thoughts. All the best in your quest for good sleep.
Thanks Jon for putting out the effort and giving us your honest thoughts. All the best in your quest for good sleep. I received the replacement se…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-13:2549090:Comment:747432010-07-13T16:20:53.945ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
I received the replacement sensor on Sat. as promised.<br />
Basically - I thought about whether I want to return it, and decided that the smart alarm - doesn't work for me (I get too little sleep to begin with ) but I do find it useful to see my sleep pattern, and with this info can perhaps see the exact amount more sleep I need to get another REM cycle - very beneficial. So I'm going to hold on to it. I haven't tried out the coaching - guess I should. Also I don't see how 70% of users report…
I received the replacement sensor on Sat. as promised.<br />
Basically - I thought about whether I want to return it, and decided that the smart alarm - doesn't work for me (I get too little sleep to begin with ) but I do find it useful to see my sleep pattern, and with this info can perhaps see the exact amount more sleep I need to get another REM cycle - very beneficial. So I'm going to hold on to it. I haven't tried out the coaching - guess I should. Also I don't see how 70% of users report getting 1 hour more sleep with the Zeo (if anything I've lost sleep with the smart alarm) - not saying it's wrong, just curious to see for myself how that is.<br />
Once I can optimize my sleep to get that extra cycle, and get into a stable pattern - I'll probably resell it on eBay as it's an expensive item if I don't need it, and I don't feel great wearing anything electronic so close to my brain and so often (that's almost 200 hours per month).<br />
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Hope the info helped people.<br />
Jon Very impressive customer serv…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-06:2549090:Comment:741752010-07-06T19:56:29.569ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
Very impressive customer service.<br />
I emailed them yesterday (probably closed July 4th)<br />
and this morning (11am) I received an email asking me a few questions to pinpoint if the clock was picking up the signal properly<br />
I responded 11:40am with the info they requested, and received a response at 3:30pm stating that they sent out a replacement and included a return shipping label<br />
Very impressive.
Very impressive customer service.<br />
I emailed them yesterday (probably closed July 4th)<br />
and this morning (11am) I received an email asking me a few questions to pinpoint if the clock was picking up the signal properly<br />
I responded 11:40am with the info they requested, and received a response at 3:30pm stating that they sent out a replacement and included a return shipping label<br />
Very impressive. encountered my first technica…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-05:2549090:Comment:740272010-07-05T03:23:21.767ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
<b>encountered my first technical problem:</b><br />
the headband says that it is charging on the clock, however after about 5 minutes of wearing it, it now says that it doesn't have a charge anymore and shuts down - this is new, whereas it was working great before.<br />
I sent in an email to Zeo.
<b>encountered my first technical problem:</b><br />
the headband says that it is charging on the clock, however after about 5 minutes of wearing it, it now says that it doesn't have a charge anymore and shuts down - this is new, whereas it was working great before.<br />
I sent in an email to Zeo. Oh forgot one very well thoug…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-02:2549090:Comment:737392010-07-02T02:42:51.774ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
Oh forgot one very well thought out feature - the headband has magnets on it , so it is VERY easy to attach to the base/charger. Very well designed.
Oh forgot one very well thought out feature - the headband has magnets on it , so it is VERY easy to attach to the base/charger. Very well designed. Some recent thoughts from thi…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-07-01:2549090:Comment:736962010-07-01T21:06:33.088ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
Some recent thoughts from this week's usage. I've kept to a normal (for me) sleeping schedule of 6-7 hours nightly, keeping regular hours.<br />
(a) I like the cascading, sweet alarm - better than my prior obnoxious beep<br />
(b) The fact that you can't edit your data - really ruins things when you look at averages over a week or month. As hour(s) spent lying awake unable to fall asleep are counted as REM sleep - which makes the averages wrong/meaningless.<br />
(c) I really would like more info on whether it's…
Some recent thoughts from this week's usage. I've kept to a normal (for me) sleeping schedule of 6-7 hours nightly, keeping regular hours.<br />
(a) I like the cascading, sweet alarm - better than my prior obnoxious beep<br />
(b) The fact that you can't edit your data - really ruins things when you look at averages over a week or month. As hour(s) spent lying awake unable to fall asleep are counted as REM sleep - which makes the averages wrong/meaningless.<br />
(c) I really would like more info on whether it's beneficial to lose 30 minutes of sleep in order to awaken at the end of a REM cycle - especially when I get so little sleep to begin with it becomes more important to know the value of losing part of it. Of course, you can change the window of time it will wake you up - i.e. you can tell it to only wake you up after a REM if it's w/in 5 minutes of scheduled wake time. But the question is the same, I need to know how valuable it is to wake up after REM to know how much of a window I should leave.<br />
(d) I see from my graph, that during my REM cycles, I may have 1 small interval where it says that I went out of REM into light sleep. e.g. REM from 6:00am - 6:20am, Light Sleep 6:20 - 6:25, REM 6:25 - 6:35 - i.e. it could have been one long REM cycle where something temporarily disturbed my sleep for a few minutes, and then I went back into REM. My point is that if I had set the smart alarm to wake me at 6:50am with a 30min window, the clock would check on me at 6:20 and assume that I finished my REM cycle and wake me up.<br />
I wondered this when I saw one morning how the smart alarm woke me up at the point when my REM changed to light sleep, however the REM cycle was short so I'm guessing that I was in fact still in the middle of a REM cycle, with some brief disturbance (RFM kid?)<br />
My suggestion would be to change it from waking you up immediately after a REM to 10-15 min after a REM cycle so that it's more certain that you have in fact completed a REM cycle (or perhaps (though less likely) it could look at the length of the REM cycle to determine if it was a completed one)<br />
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<b>In short</b> - I like the Zeo very much, however for me personally, not being able to distinguish (or at least edit out) time spent awake trying to fall asleep from being recorded as REM ruins it's usefullness.<br />
And I need more info re: the smart alarm - as this is the reason I bought the Zeo, but I don't yet see any difference by waking up earlier, and perhaps it's made me more tired. That is a good question Jon.…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-06-28:2549090:Comment:732332010-06-28T17:16:18.205ZRockRpsgthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/RockHinkle
That is a good question Jon. Is there any way to extend the alarm time to wkae you up at the desired time period. I guess what I am asking is if there is anyway to extend it one more cycle, or does the machine choose when to wake you up?<br />
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In my personal experience it is not so bad to wake up during REM. We are trained not to wake up our pts in this stage of sleep for many reasons including personal safety. Some people come up swinging out of REM sleep. REM is actually a pretty light sleep due…
That is a good question Jon. Is there any way to extend the alarm time to wkae you up at the desired time period. I guess what I am asking is if there is anyway to extend it one more cycle, or does the machine choose when to wake you up?<br />
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In my personal experience it is not so bad to wake up during REM. We are trained not to wake up our pts in this stage of sleep for many reasons including personal safety. Some people come up swinging out of REM sleep. REM is actually a pretty light sleep due to the high brain activity. For this reason you should wake up from this stage pretty light on your feet. Whereas if you woke up during stage 2, or especially stage 3 you would be very groggy. I guess what I am trying to say is that if you took the extra 1 1/2 hours of sleep that you would be better off even if you woke up during a Rem cycle. If i had a choice in the matter I would prefer to get up towards the end of a REM cycle.<br />
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<cite>Jon said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/zeo-sleep-monitor-does-it-work?id=2549090%3ATopic%3A66957&page=5#2549090Comment73227"><div><b>A couple of observations of the Zeo</b><br/><b>(1)</b> One nice thing of the zeo is that it substituted my rough estimations, with the unfortunate truth - namely I thought that I get about 10 hours of sleep Friday night and 6-7 hours nightly during the rest of the week. But the zeo shows me that my total avg (excl. Friday) of sleep is only 5 hours of sleep! Worthwhile info.<br/><b>(2)</b> As mentioned I tried to get "normal" sleep this week and to try out the smart-alarm feature.<br/><b>Sunday</b> morning I slept 6 hours, smart alarm woke me up- I didn't get up out of bed though, but I felt fine during the day.<br/><b>Monday</b> morning the smart alarm again woke me up earlier than my rise time (by about 1/2 hour I think) however this time I felt terrible, as in it feels like I have a headache in the temple area of my eyes. And I fel like I'm sleep walking through the day ( I don't drink coffee/caffeine to wake me up). Granted I didn't wake up at the smart alarm (6:45) instead kinda went back to daze out and woke up at 7:15 - nonetheless, had I woken up at 7:15 I would have had 7 hours of sleep (a lot for me), now I'm walking around in a daze w/ this lack of sleep headache.<br/><b>(3) Deep sleep -</b> my zeo shows that I get about 1 hour of deep sleep /night- what is normal?<br/><b>(4) Cycles -</b> someone mentioned above that I need to set a fixed wake time so that my body will learn this and maximize my REM cycles around it. My question is that wouldn't the smart-alarm feature ruin that. i.e. if I set my alarm for 7:15 on day #1,but the smart alarm wakes me at 6:45 as that's when my REM cycle ended. and ditto for day #2,3... wouldn't my body now assume that 6:45 is my wake time and pattern my REM around that. However if I didn't use the smart alarm and instead awoke at 7:45 every morning, wouldn't my body learn this and maximize my REM utilizing the add'l 1/2 hour per day so that my REM extended past 6:45am? i.e. isn't the smart alarm conditioning my body to LOSE 1/2 hour of sleep and not REM past 6:45?</div>
</blockquote> A couple of observations of t…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-06-28:2549090:Comment:732272010-06-28T16:04:29.032ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
<b>A couple of observations of the Zeo</b><br />
<b>(1)</b> One nice thing of the zeo is that it substituted my rough estimations, with the unfortunate truth - namely I thought that I get about 10 hours of sleep Friday night and 6-7 hours nightly during the rest of the week. But the zeo shows me that my total avg (excl. Friday) of sleep is only 5 hours of sleep! Worthwhile info.<br />
<b>(2)</b> As mentioned I tried to get "normal" sleep this week and to try out the smart-alarm feature.<br />
<b>Sunday…</b>
<b>A couple of observations of the Zeo</b><br />
<b>(1)</b> One nice thing of the zeo is that it substituted my rough estimations, with the unfortunate truth - namely I thought that I get about 10 hours of sleep Friday night and 6-7 hours nightly during the rest of the week. But the zeo shows me that my total avg (excl. Friday) of sleep is only 5 hours of sleep! Worthwhile info.<br />
<b>(2)</b> As mentioned I tried to get "normal" sleep this week and to try out the smart-alarm feature.<br />
<b>Sunday</b> morning I slept 6 hours, smart alarm woke me up- I didn't get up out of bed though, but I felt fine during the day.<br />
<b>Monday</b> morning the smart alarm again woke me up earlier than my rise time (by about 1/2 hour I think) however this time I felt terrible, as in it feels like I have a headache in the temple area of my eyes. And I fel like I'm sleep walking through the day ( I don't drink coffee/caffeine to wake me up). Granted I didn't wake up at the smart alarm (6:45) instead kinda went back to daze out and woke up at 7:15 - nonetheless, had I woken up at 7:15 I would have had 7 hours of sleep (a lot for me), now I'm walking around in a daze w/ this lack of sleep headache.<br />
<b>(3) Deep sleep -</b> my zeo shows that I get about 1 hour of deep sleep /night- what is normal?<br />
<b>(4) Cycles -</b> someone mentioned above that I need to set a fixed wake time so that my body will learn this and maximize my REM cycles around it. My question is that wouldn't the smart-alarm feature ruin that. i.e. if I set my alarm for 7:15 on day #1,but the smart alarm wakes me at 6:45 as that's when my REM cycle ended. and ditto for day #2,3... wouldn't my body now assume that 6:45 is my wake time and pattern my REM around that. However if I didn't use the smart alarm and instead awoke at 7:45 every morning, wouldn't my body learn this and maximize my REM utilizing the add'l 1/2 hour per day so that my REM extended past 6:45am? i.e. isn't the smart alarm conditioning my body to LOSE 1/2 hour of sleep and not REM past 6:45? That was a very good explanat…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-06-25:2549090:Comment:729112010-06-25T20:19:32.254ZRockRpsgthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/RockHinkle
That was a very good explanation from all.
That was a very good explanation from all. thank you both - great info.…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2010-06-25:2549090:Comment:729092010-06-25T18:39:51.838ZJonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Jon405
thank you both - great info.<br />
I was planning on sleeping late tomorrow (till 11am) to catch up, but it seems that I'm better off keeping my wake time at 7:10am
thank you both - great info.<br />
I was planning on sleeping late tomorrow (till 11am) to catch up, but it seems that I'm better off keeping my wake time at 7:10am