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99 replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"i have purchased some silver the make my own colloidal silver"
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99 replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"just add to the distilled water it is antimicrobial eg cleans your machine and is beneficial for keeping you healthy  from bugs germs viruses you get the picture and when you need to clean the humidifier out, put water on your plants the silver…"
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Mary Z left a comment for richard graham
"If the heated tube works with your machine I would try that.  They also make covers for your tubing which may help some.  I think the heated tube may be your answer.  Keep us posted."
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Mary Z left a comment for richard graham
"Richard, some folks just use the humidifier in a Passover mode.  They just don't turn it on, but let the air pick up moisture without heat."
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Mary Z replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"99, where have you been?  Do you add the colloidal silver to your humidifier?"
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Mary Z replied to Andy's discussion Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??
"I Andy, I realize I'm months behind your post.  I have no idea why your S8 would stoop collecting data.  I'm glad to hear  you're having such improvement with your apnea.  I have made great strides since I changed…"
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Mary Z replied to Andy's discussion Resmed S10 AirSense - Anyone have one? Any feedback?
"Andy, just found your post.  I don't know anything about this new machine.  How are you liking your new ResMed?"
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Mary Z left a comment for richard graham
"Hi Richard,  I don't bother with a humidifier.  Someone on the forum suggested not using it and I'm a lot less congested without it.  A good AHI is under 5.  I use the Wisp and have been since it came out.  I think…"
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colloidal silver

a humidifier can be used with colloidal silverthis can keep the humidifier clean for day maybe weeks or longer without the need to clean the humidifiersilver colloidal is antimicrobial and you could just top up your humidifier without cleaning and at the same time treat your bodyor you just put silver on it own into the humidifierSee More
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"I feel like the humidifier is making me feel yucky and I'm waking up hacking and having to clear my throat a lot for a while."
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what's a good AHI?

I've been using and auto and it says my AHI HAS been between 4 and 6 and wondering what's a good range.
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Resmed S10 AirSense - Anyone have one? Any feedback?

Hi All,I've just ordered a new Resmed S10 AirSense, and I was wondering if anyone here has used one?Any information or input would be appreciated!See More
Sep 29
Andy replied to Andy's discussion Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??
"Hi All, Well, I went to the sleep doc today, and he ordered a new S10 for me! I still don't know why my S8 is not tracking data anymore. Anyone have any ideas?"
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"Just found they have a Facebook for the REMedy event, 1st Class Sleep REMedy Wellness Health Fair."
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"Reminder: REMedy event is this Saturday, 10 am to 2pm.  Topics include: Nutrition and Weight Management with Sarah Kelly, Registered Nutritionist/Dietitian Oral Appliance Therapy for Sleep Apnea with Drs. Rena Vakay & Lara…"
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Sleep apnea increases risk of osteoporosis

Sleep apnea/osteoporosis study finds “increased” health riskA recently published study may have found a connection between obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) and osteoporosis, marking yet another health…See More
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Before starting cpap, I had very vivid dreams. I thought it was weird that I was having so many apneas during REM, but maybe that is why I remembered my vivid dreams, I was always waking up. I feel like I am not having any now. I have been on cpap about 10 nights now.

I have seen the phrase REM rebound on some posts. Could someone tell me what it is?

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Not sure what it isbut I have been on my CPAP now for about 6 months and I just started having dreams again that I can remember. It was exciting to know I am actually getting some REM sleep now!! Best of luck to you...marie
REM rebound is an extended period of REM caused by pap therapy. Generally an apnaec person will be the deep restorative sleep of REM and stage 3 sleep. Typically we have more events in REM which knocks us back into a lighter sleep. This also denies us REM. A person with severe apnea will go weeks if not months without REM. This is what makes you feel so tired. REM rebound is what happens when your PAP therapy allows you to reach a true REM again. I am at work now, but when I get home I will post some more info about it. Search "REM rebound" and "NREM vs REM sleep" in the sleepguide search engine.
REM is of course dreaming. Dreaming is nothing more than clutter being cleaned from the brain. Images, background noise, conversations, old high school buddies, and so on. The brain de-clutters on average every 90 to 120 minutes during the night. When someone’s sleep is interrupted due to something such as apnea the brain gets behind in house cleaning. Once the sleep issue is corrected the brain has to play catch up and toss out all the not needed information. The forebrain is logical and wants to make sense of all this activity and puts the images in an order you can understand. Say you have the images being purged cat, cup, breakfast meal. Your brain knows cups hold water and that cats swim so you may dream there is a cat swimming in your morning coffee. Weird images, true but logical to your brain. …basically REM rebound is catch up housecleaning for your brain.
Wow! Dr. Conn, that was a great way to word it. I have read many theories on REM, but the defragging theory is one of my favorites. How would you correlate the effects of fatigue as it relates to a lack of REM? What about n3 or SWS being the fountain of youth? Sorry REM and SWS are my to favorite subjects of sleep. Which do you think are more important SWS rebound or REM rebound?

D. W. Conn said:
REM is of course dreaming. Dreaming is nothing more than clutter being cleaned from the brain. Images, background noise, conversations, old high school buddies, and so on. The brain de-clutters on average every 90 to 120 minutes during the night. When someone’s sleep is interrupted due to something such as apnea the brain gets behind in house cleaning. Once the sleep issue is corrected the brain has to play catch up and toss out all the not needed information. The forebrain is logical and wants to make sense of all this activity and puts the images in an order you can understand. Say you have the images being purged cat, cup, breakfast meal. Your brain knows cups hold water and that cats swim so you may dream there is a cat swimming in your morning coffee. Weird images, true but logical to your brain. …basically REM rebound is catch up housecleaning for your brain.
First I am not a physician highest degree is MS Neuro-Biology as related to evolutionary sciences,
REM is needed to keep your cognitive abilities sharp, Without REM you can become psychotic and or have a mental break. So it is very important. SWS is recooperative and body regeneration time. Body healing and in children Growth hormone is secreted, Important for development. These 2 are equally important.
Sleep is the first line treatment for any ailment. Not until the Mid 80s was sleep taken serious. We were left in the background amoung the para-sciences. Now its understood Improve Sleep improve health. There is so much to say about sleep dep. etc, Cardiac abnormalities, flutter-fib, R on T etc. ..parasomnias are also most interesting.. wow I could go on and on.
Interesting. So, I should be having more dreams, not less???? Or is it just that I am not waking up and interrupting the dreams so I don't remember them? I have always felt like I was on dream over drive and now that I have started cpap, I feel like I fall asleep and fall into a dark oblivion. I must be getting REM because I feel good when I wake up.

Rock Hinkle said:
REM rebound is an extended period of REM caused by pap therapy. Generally an apnaec person will be the deep restorative sleep of REM and stage 3 sleep. Typically we have more events in REM which knocks us back into a lighter sleep. This also denies us REM. A person with severe apnea will go weeks if not months without REM. This is what makes you feel so tired. REM rebound is what happens when your PAP therapy allows you to reach a true REM again. I am at work now, but when I get home I will post some more info about it. Search "REM rebound" and "NREM vs REM sleep" in the sleepguide search engine.
The theory goes that you only remember the dreams that you wake up during or shortly after. if Conn's and other researchers are right about the defragging theory then as you have these deams or thoughts you are eather organizing them as permenant memories or deleting them.

Along with the defragging theory your brain repairs or rewires itself during REM. This is the reason that chidren have so much REM during the brain development years. This could also be another reason we see REM rebound as the o2 deprivation from apnea can damage the brain.
It is strange but I have sleep apnea and I don't use a cpap but I have dreams too. I have always heard that dreams occur during REM, which sleep apnea patients never reach
Sleep Apnea interrupts dreams so when you fall back you begin to dream. If all is going well with your sleep...well chances are you will not remember your dreams nor should you try. If you write your dreams down in a book all that purged junk is refiled to be reshuffled and purged again... you know the same dream 3 nights in a row...sorry it isn't dream haunting its just tossing out the same trash night after night. relax toss out the trash and move on to some fun stuff!!
Rock do you work in the Biz?
I am a tech in indy. Sometimes it is fun to chase a dream. that is to say try to continue a good one. it used to scare the hell out of me when i realized that I was dreaming and could not get out(sleep paralysis). Now i run with it. I am never in control, just sometimes able to enjoy the ride. i would probably have quite a bit of alpha intrusion in my REM.

Just the way you worded it puts alot of things into perspective.

D. W. Conn said:
Sleep Apnea interrupts dreams so when you fall back you begin to dream. If all is going well with your sleep...well chances are you will not remember your dreams nor should you try. If you write your dreams down in a book all that purged junk is refiled to be reshuffled and purged again... you know the same dream 3 nights in a row...sorry it isn't dream haunting its just tossing out the same trash night after night. relax toss out the trash and move on to some fun stuff!!
Rock do you work in the Biz?
fascinating thread. When my wife was not treating her apnea, she had very vivid dreams that she could remember. Now that she's on CPAP, she hardly ever remembers her dreams. Myself, I rarely dreamt/remembered my dreams before CPAP, then experienced a period of vivid dreams upon starting CPAP, and now am back to not remembering my dreams.
i also go through phases of dreaming mike. i think for the most part it is better not to remember them because like Conn said then they are gone.

Mike said:
fascinating thread. When my wife was not treating her apnea, she had very vivid dreams that she could remember. Now that she's on CPAP, she hardly ever remembers her dreams. Myself, I rarely dreamt/remembered my dreams before CPAP, then experienced a period of vivid dreams upon starting CPAP, and now am back to not remembering my dreams.

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