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Dan Lyons posted a discussion

CPAP & Dry Mouth

In recent months, I have developed extreme dry mouth as a result of the CPAP.  I am a mouth breather when using CPAP.Recently, I saw an advertisement for the symptoms of dry mouth, but as usual, when I need the information to have a discussion with both my primary care  physician and my dentist I haven't seen the ad. Has anyone else seen the ad and can anyone remember the info in the ad?Thanks in advance,DanSee More
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"My deductible is double what a machine is online but I can't get the machine set up. Any ideas?"
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99 replied to Fred's discussion CPAP - cure worse than the disease
"Do not turn light on as this hinder you from falling asleep or choose red light instead which do not afect your sleep"
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99 posted a discussion

Leaky gut

Do you have a leaky gutHow would you knowA telltale sign for leaky gut is Athletes footI wish to ask do you have or suffer from itThe reason I ask is maybe this is a common denominatorJust text yes or text noAnd if you are the first to text also keep a tallyExample38 yes 0 noYour input would alter the tally39 yes 0 noSo now I will input first1 yes. 0 noSee More
Sep 26, 2015
richard graham posted a status
"For the first time in a while I got a whole night sleep with my machine but woke up beat and left side of my head feels weird, not sure if"
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Jul 7, 2015
ZolliStar replied to Fred's discussion CPAP - cure worse than the disease
"I'm wondering: what prompted you to consider whether you have sleep apnea in the first place? Also, waking throughout the night isn't uncommon especially as we (*sigh*) age.  I seem to every 90 minutes or so. This pattern probably…"
Jun 27, 2015
ZolliStar replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"You can try this website:  http://zyppah.com/ I have a MAD (mandibular advancement device). Dr. Steven Park evaluated my mouth and throat (not everyone can use a MAD, it turns out) and pronounced me a candidate for it. The truth?  I…"
Jun 27, 2015
Mary Z replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"The link didn't work so me so I couldn't see the product.  I do have experience with a supposedly reliable boil and bite device.  I should know by now I have a small mouth and nothing regular size fits.  I don't think…"
Jun 27, 2015
richard graham replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"If I thought something could work other than this lousy cpap that would be awesome"
May 22, 2015
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"I moved and have been sick a lot and can't use cpap because of cough and I'm depressed a lot"
Apr 26, 2015
Fred posted a discussion

CPAP - cure worse than the disease

It's ironic that before I was diagnosed with sleep apnea in 2000, I had no problem sleeping 8-9 hours a night. If I did wake up during the night, I had no problem falling right back to sleep, and I wasn't tired during the day.From the first night I brought home the CPAP I haven't had one decent night's sleep. Not one. I don't have any problem falling asleep, but I can't stay asleep. At first I was waking up after 4-5 hours and couldn't get back to sleep for a couple of hours. Now it's more like…See More
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ZolliStar posted a discussion

New mouth device on the market

I've been hearing advertising for this product over the past few days.  It's sold as something to help snoring, but as I look at the information it seems to me that it would work just as well as my mandibular advancement device (MAD).In other words, this could help some of us with sleep apnea.Read about it here.Anybody have any thoughts about this?  See More
Mar 31, 2015
Ugh, so have a cold and have not been able to sleep w/ my c-pap for about four nights (I've been a faithful user of my machine for about 1.5 years). Last night, I had my second lifetime (at least in my memory) occurrence of waking up biting my tongue VERY hard. It was painful/scary. The first time this happened, I thought it was odd but didn't make much of it. This time, I wonder if it's something related to the apnea. Super frightening. Any ideas?

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Never heard of that before, but maybe in it's fight to wake you to breathe your body just had your teeth bite down on your tongue. I mean maybe it was just part of that arousal reflex when we're not breathing. It does hurt. Your body was freaking out from lask of oxygen.
could it be possible that you had a nocturnal seizure triggered by low oxygen levels and/or poor sleep? I
have known that I have had mild seizures for 20 years or so, but I have only been diagnosed with sleep apnea
for six months. Through at least the last 10 years I had felt like I was having some sort of seizure or something
once a month or so. Finally after biting my tongue for the first time (had bit my cheek many times) My doctor
sent me for the sleep test. I remember the technologist coming in and waking me and asking me if I knew
where I was and if I was alright. I had assumed that I had a seizure since she did that. Most of the time I
don't feel any after effects of the seizure unless I have bit something or an occasional bad taste for 24-48 hours.
When I went back to see the doctor he said there wasn't any sign of a seizure that night, but my oxygen
level had dropped to "around 50 percent." From what I have read there seems to be enough growing evidence
that seizures can be triggered from sleep apnea when the oxygen level drops significantly. Some people do
suffer exclusively from nocturnal seizures. Hope you are able to get some answers.
Sorry to see about your tongue biting. I'm not a MD, just a sleep tech. Just wondering if perhaps you're a diabetic and your potassium levels are off a bit?
Thanks everybody. I started poking around online a bit and it certainly sounds like what Joe mentions. Really not thrilled about this. I've scheduled follow ups with my doctor, we'll see. I do so appreciate the help!!!
Dear Sleepy Em: I have been diagnosed with OSA and have been on CPAP for about 6 wks. Over the past couple of years I have had many episodes of tongue biting. I grind my teeth at night when sleeping (Bruxism) and my dentist had provided a device to help me stop. It worked very well and I used it for a few years. Occasionally I would nap without it and noted that I would wake suddenly due to very sharp pain from biting the sides of my tongue. (similar to your experience, the pain is very bad - brings tears to your eyes and stays sore for many hours). If I don't wear the device now, I sometimes awaken from biting other parts of the tongue - including the tip. Won't go into the details, but I was recently having dental work and was not able to bite properly. Got mad at my dentist b/c he kept saying the crown was fine....but it wasn't. After refusal on my part for him to grind down any of my other teeth in order to make the crown fit, he finally referred me to a "bite specialist". The bite specialist has been great - he explained that misalignment of my jaw due to muscle problems has contributed to the grinding. For some reason the tongue tries to cushion the teeth from grinding and that is one of the reasons for the tongue biting. This is a long story, but the bottom line is that bruxism is very common and it is also pretty tightly correlated with sleep disorders. Unfortunately the bite specialist told me that so far correcting the sleep disorders does not necessarily correct the bruxism. He said that there has recently been a lot of renewed interest in this and that there is a lot of research underway to understand the reasons for bruxism and also the connection to obstructive sleep apnea. On a related note - If you do find that you have bruxism (your dentist can probably tell you) and you get a night grinding device - make sure that they give you one that covers several teeth (not just 2 front teeth) so that the pressure is spread and you don't end up breaking teeth due to the grinding device. Don't know if this is the cause of your tongue biting, but I read your post and thought it would be helpful to share what I've learned. Hope this helps.
Wow, thanks so much Mary. This is really interesting and sounds very similar to what's happening to me. I appreciate the help!!!

Mary Smith said:
Dear Sleepy Em: I have been diagnosed with OSA and have been on CPAP for about 6 wks. Over the past couple of years I have had many episodes of tongue biting. I grind my teeth at night when sleeping (Bruxism) and my dentist had provided a device to help me stop. It worked very well and I used it for a few years. Occasionally I would nap without it and noted that I would wake suddenly due to very sharp pain from biting the sides of my tongue. (similar to your experience, the pain is very bad - brings tears to your eyes and stays sore for many hours). If I don't wear the device now, I sometimes awaken from biting other parts of the tongue - including the tip. Won't go into the details, but I was recently having dental work and was not able to bite properly. Got mad at my dentist b/c he kept saying the crown was fine....but it wasn't. After refusal on my part for him to grind down any of my other teeth in order to make the crown fit, he finally referred me to a "bite specialist". The bite specialist has been great - he explained that misalignment of my jaw due to muscle problems has contributed to the grinding. For some reason the tongue tries to cushion the teeth from grinding and that is one of the reasons for the tongue biting. This is a long story, but the bottom line is that bruxism is very common and it is also pretty tightly correlated with sleep disorders. Unfortunately the bite specialist told me that so far correcting the sleep disorders does not necessarily correct the bruxism. He said that there has recently been a lot of renewed interest in this and that there is a lot of research underway to understand the reasons for bruxism and also the connection to obstructive sleep apnea. On a related note - If you do find that you have bruxism (your dentist can probably tell you) and you get a night grinding device - make sure that they give you one that covers several teeth (not just 2 front teeth) so that the pressure is spread and you don't end up breaking teeth due to the grinding device. Don't know if this is the cause of your tongue biting, but I read your post and thought it would be helpful to share what I've learned. Hope this helps.
Mary- My wife had big problems with her bite also, it was after she had 2 crowns replaced, one on each side. She was told it would get better, but she went to another dentist who said it's not recommended to do 2 crowns at the same time, especially on opposite sides. He did say it's BAD to start grinding the other teeth down, and one crown was done wrong & needed replacing. She had discomfort after one crown, but the new dentist told her the bit is good, not to worry. They use that blue paper, over & over, they can tell if it's perfect or not , and I remember distinctly, it took about 2 months for her mouth to adjust and was fine but that's a pain of an adjustment period.


Mary Smith said:
Dear Sleepy Em: I have been diagnosed with OSA and have been on CPAP for about 6 wks. Over the past couple of years I have had many episodes of tongue biting. I grind my teeth at night when sleeping (Bruxism) and my dentist had provided a device to help me stop. It worked very well and I used it for a few years. Occasionally I would nap without it and noted that I would wake suddenly due to very sharp pain from biting the sides of my tongue. (similar to your experience, the pain is very bad - brings tears to your eyes and stays sore for many hours). If I don't wear the device now, I sometimes awaken from biting other parts of the tongue - including the tip. Won't go into the details, but I was recently having dental work and was not able to bite properly. Got mad at my dentist b/c he kept saying the crown was fine....but it wasn't. After refusal on my part for him to grind down any of my other teeth in order to make the crown fit, he finally referred me to a "bite specialist". The bite specialist has been great - he explained that misalignment of my jaw due to muscle problems has contributed to the grinding. For some reason the tongue tries to cushion the teeth from grinding and that is one of the reasons for the tongue biting. This is a long story, but the bottom line is that bruxism is very common and it is also pretty tightly correlated with sleep disorders. Unfortunately the bite specialist told me that so far correcting the sleep disorders does not necessarily correct the bruxism. He said that there has recently been a lot of renewed interest in this and that there is a lot of research underway to understand the reasons for bruxism and also the connection to obstructive sleep apnea. On a related note - If you do find that you have bruxism (your dentist can probably tell you) and you get a night grinding device - make sure that they give you one that covers several teeth (not just 2 front teeth) so that the pressure is spread and you don't end up breaking teeth due to the grinding device. Don't know if this is the cause of your tongue biting, but I read your post and thought it would be helpful to share what I've learned. Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing, Gordon. It's too bad that we have to find out the hard way on some of these experiences - that's why it's important to compare notes. I've had to get several crowns over the years & am now being told that a lot of my dental problems have been due to the bruxism. My regular dentist frequently referred to the fact that I'm a "grinder" and prescribed the grinding device but didn't refer me to anyone else until this recent experience. I wish I would have known to go to someone like a "bite specialist" sooner. There is supposed to be some better device to help protect the teeth - I will be getting that in a few weeks & will let you know. Again, the reason I especially mention it is b/c of the original post here on tongue biting, but also because of the strong link between obstructive sleep apnea and bruxism.

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