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ZolliStar replied to Dan Lyons's discussion CPAP & Dry Mouth
"Dan, Do you use a chin strap?  If you're a mouth breather, you may need a chin strap so that your mouth stays closed. It's important to keep it closed throughout the night for a lot of reasons -- mouth, dental, etc., etc. I've…"
Nov 24
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Wed 9  9 mg Thursday 10 missed  Friday 11 9mg have insomnia  going skip rest until insomnia goes away Just did maths had my five days"
Nov 11
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Day after tomorrow I mean trump day wed 9 9mg "
Nov 9
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Day two Monday 7 Nov 9mg very relaxed Day three Tuesday 8 Nov 9mg sniffles appears to have stopped  must reduce dose"
Nov 8
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Start treatment again  Nov 6 @ 2100 first day "
Nov 6
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Day 5 not quite there must quit treetment for non and have at least a five day break But even so my health has improved "
Nov 1
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
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Nov 1
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure obstructI've sleep apnea
"Day three not so good with osa  DAY four better but still not quite there "
Oct 31
99 replied to 99's discussion Five Day Cure
"Day one immediate improvement to OSA but had insomnia and slight constapation Day two flatulence greatly reduced muscle tighten "
Oct 29
99 posted a discussion

Five Day Cure

I believe I have found a cure that only take five days which I am trialing now It has many benificial side effects as well by reducing snoring to name onePM ME as I do not want mainstream media to find out and have it banned as I fear that is how it will goWill try again after a little breakIn addition will increase omega 3And thirdly a chiropractic to realign atlas bone in spine is just a passing thought See More
Oct 28
liz4cps commented on liz4cps's group Prince William Co, VA support group
"BluePoint Medical* holding their next Remedy event on June 4 with Terry Cralle, RN on "Sleep in the Mordern Family".  They will also be checking CPAP machines and providing breakfast. Click on link above for more…"
May 7
Dan Lyons posted a discussion

CPAP & Dry Mouth

In recent months, I have developed extreme dry mouth as a result of the CPAP.  I am a mouth breather when using CPAP.Recently, I saw an advertisement for the symptoms of dry mouth, but as usual, when I need the information to have a discussion with both my primary care  physician and my dentist I haven't seen the ad. Has anyone else seen the ad and can anyone remember the info in the ad?Thanks in advance,DanSee More
Mar 30
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"My deductible is double what a machine is online but I can't get the machine set up. Any ideas?"
Mar 10
BeeAsleep posted a status
"Hi all. I am just checking in and saying hi after being gone for a long time. I am doing GREAT! Just got a new machine and mask. Feel like I"
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Jan 23
99 replied to Fred's discussion CPAP - cure worse than the disease
"Do not turn light on as this hinder you from falling asleep or choose red light instead which do not afect your sleep"
Oct 27, 2015
99 left a comment for Joan Williams Rice
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"Hi Rhondda I am visiting pelham and have osa "
Oct 27, 2015
99 posted a discussion

Leaky gut

Do you have a leaky gutHow would you knowA telltale sign for leaky gut is Athletes footI wish to ask do you have or suffer from itThe reason I ask is maybe this is a common denominatorJust text yes or text noAnd if you are the first to text also keep a tallyExample38 yes 0 noYour input would alter the tally39 yes 0 noSo now I will input first1 yes. 0 noSee More
Sep 26, 2015

Sleeping Pills Kill or Is Something Else Going On?

What do you guys think is really going on here?

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This is a great article, Mike. A lot of things jumped out at me while reading this. Obviously, there are a number of confounding variables in the study, but the first thing I thought of was the competence of the doctors who are prescribing these all of these pills. Doctors should be sending their patients to sleep labs instead of writing prescriptions for zolpidem and benzos! I'd love to see the data on other steps that were taken to treat the sleep issues within this patient population -- that would be useful information. 

I agree with Janna above. I also want to say that most of the drugs listed in this article are NOT sleep aids. The sleep is a side affect of a great many of these drugs that were meant to treat something else. If you can't sleep there is a reason or source. Find it and fix it!

I blogged about this here. We know that having a sleep problem in itself (insomnia or sleep apnea) significantly raises your risk of dying, even if you don't take any sleep medications. But since people with these issues are more likely to take these type of medications, you'll see a higher death rate if you follow these people. You could make the same case about cancer medications or even medications for depression. I'm not saying that these medications are good in any way—only that association doesn't prove causality. 

That article is quite interesting. I have been taking Ambien CR for almost 5 years and was experiencing severe memory lapses. Although I am 75, I am still active in our business solving bookkeeping software and computer problems. I was sure this was due to a medication problem and was referred to a specialist who eliminated Alzheimer's. We have started weening me off Ambien CR slowly and my memory lapses are getter better. There are other medications we think are also contributing to my problem.

With all due respect to you doctors, we are amazed how quickly physicians prescribe addition medications to solve one medical problem not knowing about the long term interaction with other medications you are taking. Unfortunately, I have a long list of medications/medical problems as well as a couple of cancer problems that have been taken care of hopefully.

Studies like these keep coming out contradicting previous studies. I spent 25 years in the chemical industry. As science evolves, I  continue to shake my head about the facts we learned back then as those truths are constantly being overturned as science evolves. I have viewed the entire "organic" industry with skepticism as the natural fertilizers they use are just different chemicals. The same is true as genetic modification isn't much different than what nature has does over the past millions of years or what we do with horse, dogs, and other natural selection. This is very much what Dr. Park is saying. BTW, I'll get off my soapbox now.

BTW, at least my Bi-PAP machine doesn't involve the need for any medications; I just need to find a way to get a mask that will finally work without screwing up my sinuses, not leak and not disturb my wife. Oh yes, I need a heated hose to eliminated rainouts, and a the mask to not conflict with my dry eye problem and allow me to let me grow my beard back out. That's not too much to ask is it?

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

I think I tried them all. I am now using the ResMed Quattro FX. Next time I am at my equipment supplier, I may pick up the Hybernite Rainout Control System. I need to ask when am I due to get a new Bi-PAP machine. When I do, Gere has told me about ResMed S9 which has a heat hose that works with that system. Hopefully Medicare and my insurance company will cover that system.

Terry Vella said:

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

     Gordon H, I am swamped right now HOWEVER in a few days I intend to post information on what I did to avoid taking Lipitor.

     I handled my cholesterol problem/issue via diet. NO DRUGS.

     Even my internist (who was pushing a statin drug) was astonished. An endocrinologist asked me (when he reviewed my blood test results) if I "did" something to achieve such high HDLs (i.e., the good cholesterol: my HDL count is nearly 3x what is considered acceptable for a woman). "I do," I answered. Unlike my internist, my endocrinologist wanted to know what I do.

   

     Remember: God did not make us with a requirement for statins.

     And keep this in mind too: Doctors study disease, not health -- and nature has no lobby.

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

I agree!  My idiot GP tried to foist Premerin on me.  That crap is made from pregnant horse piss!  There is absolutely nothing NOTHING in pregnant horse urine that has any business whatsoever in my body!!  And that's not to mention the horrifying and inhumane manner in which this urine gets collected.  And NOW, ten years later, Premerin is being implicated in all kinds of cancers in women.  I SO agree with you, Zollistar!  

ZolliStar said:

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

I just read this, which explains the reason why statins cause memory loss and other problems:  http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

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