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Kay Day left a comment for Kay Day
"September 1, 2014 My apologies to Sleep Guide for not participating in a long time. In January 2012 I started classes at the local community college (my husband is an instructor there, and my tuition is refunded when my grades are above a C. My…"
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Sleep apnea increases risk of osteoporosis

Sleep apnea/osteoporosis study finds “increased” health riskA recently published study may have found a connection between obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) and osteoporosis, marking yet another health…See More
Aug 23
Mary Z replied to ZolliStar's discussion Non-invasion approach that can relieve mild sleep apnea
"Hi ZolliStar, I've heard before that speech therapy, or singing lessons can help sleep apnea.  The problem at that time was there was no way to determine which exercises help.  Getting research done, rather than anecdotal would be…"
Jul 28
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Non-invasion approach that can relieve mild sleep apnea

Some people report that singing -- singing! -- really helps their sleep apnea. Dr. Stephen Park said that myology (which are exercises to strengthen muscles around the inside of one's mouth area) helps some. I think singing would be better.  If you read all the FAQs on this (click below), I think you'll agree that it makes sense for some. Maybe you.http://www.singingforsnorers.com/index.htmSee More
Jul 28
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Jul 20
liz4cps commented on liz4cps's group Prince William Co, VA support group
"I talked to Kimberlie at the Novant Sleep lab last week (at Prince William Hospital) and she said they would not be holding any meetings this year but are planning to start holding meetings again next year.  I'll let you know when we have…"
Jul 14
richard graham posted a status
"I just have mask called the Wisp. Hope it works. Anybody have experience with it. I have an ultra mirage nasal mask and get leaks at brid"
Jul 9
Andy posted a discussion

Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??

Hi All,First off, my apologies for not checking in for a long time.I've been using my Resmed S8 AutoSet II for almost 3 years! I feel great, have lost almost 30 lbs, am no longer sleepy during the day, sleep through the night, and have my short-term memory back.Yay!I've told my doctors that I'm the "poster child" for Sleep Apnea and CPAPs! It's been, and continues to be, such an amazing experience that I want everyone to know!Everything has been going well in CPAP-land, but in the last few…See More
Jul 7
hifay replied to richard graham's discussion mouth breathing
"What type of chin straps?"
Jul 6
Ginny Edmundson replied to Ginny Edmundson's discussion Scheduled for evaluation and possible procedure next day
"No real improvement in sleep study.  Just not having to use cervical neck color.  What a bummer. Surgeon wants another sleep study in about a month or so (home one) Not sure if will do or not. "
Jun 22
Mary Z replied to Ginny Edmundson's discussion Scheduled for evaluation and possible procedure next day
"Ginny, how are you doing after the tongue procedure?"
Jun 22
Mary Z posted a discussion

AHI finally under five.

I have been on CPAP since March 2008 and had a good AHI when I started therapy (under 5).Then my AHI started getting worse- for a while it stayed in the 20's, then we got it to the high teens.  Nothing we did would help.  My doctor said it was due to the meds I take.  For a couple of years I just tolerated the high AHI.  I did another sleep study and changed to an ASV machine.  For two years I still had a AHI around 11-13.  Then all of a sudden - a month ago I noticed my AHI was running five or…See More
Jun 22
ZolliStar replied to richard graham's discussion mouth breathing
"FWIW, I've been alternating between my mouth device and my APAP. I haven't used humidity at all when I use the APAP -- and don't miss it, either. "
Jun 14
richard graham replied to richard graham's discussion mouth breathing
"I still use humidity but less of it. It seems to be working OK.."
Jun 14
ZolliStar replied to richard graham's discussion mouth breathing
"I rarely use the humidifier. I think it's less necessary during the summer when there is humidity.   I also switch between my mouth device and the APAP.  I like each for different reasons. Not sure with which I sleep better, though.…"
May 21
Mary Z replied to richard graham's discussion sick again
"I've been doing well.  I think you were going to try the cpap without humidity- did that help at all?  I haven't had a cold for a couple of years."
May 14
Ginny Edmundson replied to richard graham's discussion sick again
"CPAP seems to cause stuffiness in many of us.  ANother reason I hate it so much!Do you rinse your nose with saline once a day…maybe before you go to bed for the night? "
May 5
richard graham replied to richard graham's discussion sick again
"I do wake up stuffed up most days"
May 5
richard graham replied to richard graham's discussion sick again
"I do have non allergic rhinitis. Now I'm thinking that's probably it because I only feel that way for a day or 2. Thank you"
May 4
Ginny Edmundson replied to richard graham's discussion sick again
"I have been lucky.  Not one cold past three years. Could some of your problem be allergies?"
May 4

Sleeping Pills Kill or Is Something Else Going On?

What do you guys think is really going on here?

Tags: sleeping-pills-death

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This is a great article, Mike. A lot of things jumped out at me while reading this. Obviously, there are a number of confounding variables in the study, but the first thing I thought of was the competence of the doctors who are prescribing these all of these pills. Doctors should be sending their patients to sleep labs instead of writing prescriptions for zolpidem and benzos! I'd love to see the data on other steps that were taken to treat the sleep issues within this patient population -- that would be useful information. 

I agree with Janna above. I also want to say that most of the drugs listed in this article are NOT sleep aids. The sleep is a side affect of a great many of these drugs that were meant to treat something else. If you can't sleep there is a reason or source. Find it and fix it!

I blogged about this here. We know that having a sleep problem in itself (insomnia or sleep apnea) significantly raises your risk of dying, even if you don't take any sleep medications. But since people with these issues are more likely to take these type of medications, you'll see a higher death rate if you follow these people. You could make the same case about cancer medications or even medications for depression. I'm not saying that these medications are good in any way—only that association doesn't prove causality. 

That article is quite interesting. I have been taking Ambien CR for almost 5 years and was experiencing severe memory lapses. Although I am 75, I am still active in our business solving bookkeeping software and computer problems. I was sure this was due to a medication problem and was referred to a specialist who eliminated Alzheimer's. We have started weening me off Ambien CR slowly and my memory lapses are getter better. There are other medications we think are also contributing to my problem.

With all due respect to you doctors, we are amazed how quickly physicians prescribe addition medications to solve one medical problem not knowing about the long term interaction with other medications you are taking. Unfortunately, I have a long list of medications/medical problems as well as a couple of cancer problems that have been taken care of hopefully.

Studies like these keep coming out contradicting previous studies. I spent 25 years in the chemical industry. As science evolves, I  continue to shake my head about the facts we learned back then as those truths are constantly being overturned as science evolves. I have viewed the entire "organic" industry with skepticism as the natural fertilizers they use are just different chemicals. The same is true as genetic modification isn't much different than what nature has does over the past millions of years or what we do with horse, dogs, and other natural selection. This is very much what Dr. Park is saying. BTW, I'll get off my soapbox now.

BTW, at least my Bi-PAP machine doesn't involve the need for any medications; I just need to find a way to get a mask that will finally work without screwing up my sinuses, not leak and not disturb my wife. Oh yes, I need a heated hose to eliminated rainouts, and a the mask to not conflict with my dry eye problem and allow me to let me grow my beard back out. That's not too much to ask is it?

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

I think I tried them all. I am now using the ResMed Quattro FX. Next time I am at my equipment supplier, I may pick up the Hybernite Rainout Control System. I need to ask when am I due to get a new Bi-PAP machine. When I do, Gere has told me about ResMed S9 which has a heat hose that works with that system. Hopefully Medicare and my insurance company will cover that system.

Terry Vella said:

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

     Gordon H, I am swamped right now HOWEVER in a few days I intend to post information on what I did to avoid taking Lipitor.

     I handled my cholesterol problem/issue via diet. NO DRUGS.

     Even my internist (who was pushing a statin drug) was astonished. An endocrinologist asked me (when he reviewed my blood test results) if I "did" something to achieve such high HDLs (i.e., the good cholesterol: my HDL count is nearly 3x what is considered acceptable for a woman). "I do," I answered. Unlike my internist, my endocrinologist wanted to know what I do.

   

     Remember: God did not make us with a requirement for statins.

     And keep this in mind too: Doctors study disease, not health -- and nature has no lobby.

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

I agree!  My idiot GP tried to foist Premerin on me.  That crap is made from pregnant horse piss!  There is absolutely nothing NOTHING in pregnant horse urine that has any business whatsoever in my body!!  And that's not to mention the horrifying and inhumane manner in which this urine gets collected.  And NOW, ten years later, Premerin is being implicated in all kinds of cancers in women.  I SO agree with you, Zollistar!  

ZolliStar said:

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

I just read this, which explains the reason why statins cause memory loss and other problems:  http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

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