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ZolliStar replied to Fred's discussion CPAP - cure worse than the disease
"I'm wondering: what prompted you to consider whether you have sleep apnea in the first place? Also, waking throughout the night isn't uncommon especially as we (*sigh*) age.  I seem to every 90 minutes or so. This pattern probably…"
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ZolliStar replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"You can try this website:  http://zyppah.com/ I have a MAD (mandibular advancement device). Dr. Steven Park evaluated my mouth and throat (not everyone can use a MAD, it turns out) and pronounced me a candidate for it. The truth?  I…"
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Mary Z replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"The link didn't work so me so I couldn't see the product.  I do have experience with a supposedly reliable boil and bite device.  I should know by now I have a small mouth and nothing regular size fits.  I don't think…"
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richard graham replied to ZolliStar's discussion New mouth device on the market
"If I thought something could work other than this lousy cpap that would be awesome"
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"I moved and have been sick a lot and can't use cpap because of cough and I'm depressed a lot"
Apr 26
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CPAP - cure worse than the disease

It's ironic that before I was diagnosed with sleep apnea in 2000, I had no problem sleeping 8-9 hours a night. If I did wake up during the night, I had no problem falling right back to sleep, and I wasn't tired during the day.From the first night I brought home the CPAP I haven't had one decent night's sleep. Not one. I don't have any problem falling asleep, but I can't stay asleep. At first I was waking up after 4-5 hours and couldn't get back to sleep for a couple of hours. Now it's more like…See More
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ZolliStar posted a discussion

New mouth device on the market

I've been hearing advertising for this product over the past few days.  It's sold as something to help snoring, but as I look at the information it seems to me that it would work just as well as my mandibular advancement device (MAD).In other words, this could help some of us with sleep apnea.Read about it here.Anybody have any thoughts about this?  See More
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99 replied to Mary Z's discussion AHI finally under five.
"Hi Richard I mainly use an empty humidifier as it reduces noise"
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"When I can afford it I'd like to get New machine with heated tube"
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richard graham replied to Mary Z's discussion AHI finally under five.
"I would like to see this forum active again as well. I will be more aware of what's going on"
Feb 10
ZolliStar posted a discussion

If you have trouble falling asleep....

I thought that when I got my sleep apnea diagnosis, that -- at last! -- all my sleep problems had come to an end.Ha!I have trouble falling asleep. Indeed, I rarely feel sleepy at night although I do feel tired. I even cut back on computer at night, etc., etc. (and installed f.lux on my computer) but I still had trouble. Now I'm doing something different: wearing special glasses (Uvex S1933X Skyper Safety Eyewear glasses). They block out the blue -- and they're making a difference! First I tried…See More
Feb 1
99 replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"i have purchased some silver the make my own colloidal silver"
Dec 21, 2014
99 replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"just add to the distilled water it is antimicrobial eg cleans your machine and is beneficial for keeping you healthy  from bugs germs viruses you get the picture and when you need to clean the humidifier out, put water on your plants the silver…"
Dec 21, 2014
Mary Z left a comment for richard graham
"If the heated tube works with your machine I would try that.  They also make covers for your tubing which may help some.  I think the heated tube may be your answer.  Keep us posted."
Dec 21, 2014
Mary Z left a comment for richard graham
"Richard, some folks just use the humidifier in a Passover mode.  They just don't turn it on, but let the air pick up moisture without heat."
Dec 21, 2014
Mary Z replied to 99's discussion colloidal silver
"99, where have you been?  Do you add the colloidal silver to your humidifier?"
Dec 21, 2014
Mary Z replied to Andy's discussion Resmed S8 AutoSet II - No Longer Collecting Data??
"I Andy, I realize I'm months behind your post.  I have no idea why your S8 would stoop collecting data.  I'm glad to hear  you're having such improvement with your apnea.  I have made great strides since I changed…"
Dec 21, 2014

Sleeping Pills Kill or Is Something Else Going On?

What do you guys think is really going on here?

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This is a great article, Mike. A lot of things jumped out at me while reading this. Obviously, there are a number of confounding variables in the study, but the first thing I thought of was the competence of the doctors who are prescribing these all of these pills. Doctors should be sending their patients to sleep labs instead of writing prescriptions for zolpidem and benzos! I'd love to see the data on other steps that were taken to treat the sleep issues within this patient population -- that would be useful information. 

I agree with Janna above. I also want to say that most of the drugs listed in this article are NOT sleep aids. The sleep is a side affect of a great many of these drugs that were meant to treat something else. If you can't sleep there is a reason or source. Find it and fix it!

I blogged about this here. We know that having a sleep problem in itself (insomnia or sleep apnea) significantly raises your risk of dying, even if you don't take any sleep medications. But since people with these issues are more likely to take these type of medications, you'll see a higher death rate if you follow these people. You could make the same case about cancer medications or even medications for depression. I'm not saying that these medications are good in any way—only that association doesn't prove causality. 

That article is quite interesting. I have been taking Ambien CR for almost 5 years and was experiencing severe memory lapses. Although I am 75, I am still active in our business solving bookkeeping software and computer problems. I was sure this was due to a medication problem and was referred to a specialist who eliminated Alzheimer's. We have started weening me off Ambien CR slowly and my memory lapses are getter better. There are other medications we think are also contributing to my problem.

With all due respect to you doctors, we are amazed how quickly physicians prescribe addition medications to solve one medical problem not knowing about the long term interaction with other medications you are taking. Unfortunately, I have a long list of medications/medical problems as well as a couple of cancer problems that have been taken care of hopefully.

Studies like these keep coming out contradicting previous studies. I spent 25 years in the chemical industry. As science evolves, I  continue to shake my head about the facts we learned back then as those truths are constantly being overturned as science evolves. I have viewed the entire "organic" industry with skepticism as the natural fertilizers they use are just different chemicals. The same is true as genetic modification isn't much different than what nature has does over the past millions of years or what we do with horse, dogs, and other natural selection. This is very much what Dr. Park is saying. BTW, I'll get off my soapbox now.

BTW, at least my Bi-PAP machine doesn't involve the need for any medications; I just need to find a way to get a mask that will finally work without screwing up my sinuses, not leak and not disturb my wife. Oh yes, I need a heated hose to eliminated rainouts, and a the mask to not conflict with my dry eye problem and allow me to let me grow my beard back out. That's not too much to ask is it?

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

I think I tried them all. I am now using the ResMed Quattro FX. Next time I am at my equipment supplier, I may pick up the Hybernite Rainout Control System. I need to ask when am I due to get a new Bi-PAP machine. When I do, Gere has told me about ResMed S9 which has a heat hose that works with that system. Hopefully Medicare and my insurance company will cover that system.

Terry Vella said:

Gordon H, I agree with you on the medication, it is too easy to try to fix the symptoms rather than fixing the cause. What type of mask are you using?

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

     Gordon H, I am swamped right now HOWEVER in a few days I intend to post information on what I did to avoid taking Lipitor.

     I handled my cholesterol problem/issue via diet. NO DRUGS.

     Even my internist (who was pushing a statin drug) was astonished. An endocrinologist asked me (when he reviewed my blood test results) if I "did" something to achieve such high HDLs (i.e., the good cholesterol: my HDL count is nearly 3x what is considered acceptable for a woman). "I do," I answered. Unlike my internist, my endocrinologist wanted to know what I do.

   

     Remember: God did not make us with a requirement for statins.

     And keep this in mind too: Doctors study disease, not health -- and nature has no lobby.

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

I agree!  My idiot GP tried to foist Premerin on me.  That crap is made from pregnant horse piss!  There is absolutely nothing NOTHING in pregnant horse urine that has any business whatsoever in my body!!  And that's not to mention the horrifying and inhumane manner in which this urine gets collected.  And NOW, ten years later, Premerin is being implicated in all kinds of cancers in women.  I SO agree with you, Zollistar!  

ZolliStar said:

Gordon H makes valuable points.

There is not enough understanding or appreciation of the iatrogenic effects of medication. Other than thyroid medication, I absolutely do not take medication of any kind. And don't think my pill-pusher (a.k.a. my board-certified internist) has tried to foist medications on me! I always look for alternative solutions -- herbs, vitamins, food (nutrition) -- and have saved myself (I'm convinced) a great deal of illness. At the same time, I've had great results with NO risk from medication.

I'm a nut on the subject. Reason? I have suffered from the iatrogenic effects of medicine; I now remain incredibly wary. Even after a 2007 car accident that resulted in an injury requiring surgery, I took very little oxycotin (sp?). My surgeon was amazed. The truth, I could tolerate the pain and I didn't want to risk the drug. And didn't.

I just read this, which explains the reason why statins cause memory loss and other problems:  http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/

Gordon H said:

As a follow up to my previous comments, Consumer Reports News RSS Feed reported today the FDA just announced they are requiring all manufacturers of Lipitor and other statins to add a warning that these drugs may cause diabetes and memory loss. After many years of taking Zocor and then the generic version, simvastin, I learn I am taking another medication that may be contributing to my memory lapses. Isn't science grand?

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