Mask leakage rate and AHI - SleepGuide2024-03-29T10:01:24Zhttps://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi?commentId=2549090%3AComment%3A197152&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, there is a check for Res…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-14:2549090:Comment:1970782011-11-14T18:06:14.481ZTom Cannonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/TomCannon
<p>Yes, there is a check for ResMed 3.14 on the VPAP S<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Banyon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi#2549090Comment197060"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a class="fn url" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ozf0ira2pgmt" rel="nofollow">Tom Cannon</a> <span class="timestamp">11 hours ago…</span></em></p>
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<p>Yes, there is a check for ResMed 3.14 on the VPAP S<br/> <br/>
<cite>Banyon said:</cite></p>
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<div class="description" id="desc_2549090Comment196600"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>I have a VPAP S and the Rescan software I have doesn't give me the granularity you speak of; I wish it did.</em></p>
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<p>Find the exact model of machine in the table in the link below and see if there is a check mark in the column ResScan Version 3.14. Let me know your findings.</p>
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</blockquote> Tom, I suspect they are relat…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-12:2549090:Comment:1970682011-11-12T21:12:26.375ZMary Zhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/MaryZimlich
<p>Tom, I suspect they are related somehow, too. I mean if your leakage is bad how can be AHI be</p>
<p>correct? I don't know this for a fact though. None of your leakage seemed to correspond to the nights with the higher AHI<br></br><br></br><cite>Tom Cannon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br></br><br></br><cite>RockRpsgt…</cite></p>
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<p>Tom, I suspect they are related somehow, too. I mean if your leakage is bad how can be AHI be</p>
<p>correct? I don't know this for a fact though. None of your leakage seemed to correspond to the nights with the higher AHI<br/><br/><cite>Tom Cannon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br/><br/><cite>RockRpsgt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i will not argue against banyon on the need for the software. However those numbers are good.</p>
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</blockquote> If this is the stand that you…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-12:2549090:Comment:1970642011-11-12T03:44:08.373ZRockRpsgthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/RockHinkle
<p>If this is the stand that you are gonna take Banyon at least go all the way with it. Original AHI severity, arousal Index, leg movement index, underlying health issues and sleep environment should not be left out. All are needed to truly evaluate Tom's sleep and the effectiveness of his therapy. Even further: What is his nightly routine? Does he watch tv, read, or conduct buisiness prior to sleep? Does he have pets, or kids that interrrupt his nightly rest?</p>
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<p>If this is the stand that you are gonna take Banyon at least go all the way with it. Original AHI severity, arousal Index, leg movement index, underlying health issues and sleep environment should not be left out. All are needed to truly evaluate Tom's sleep and the effectiveness of his therapy. Even further: What is his nightly routine? Does he watch tv, read, or conduct buisiness prior to sleep? Does he have pets, or kids that interrrupt his nightly rest?</p>
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<p>I believe that everyone should have access to the data in question. It however is only a small step in truely getting back to good sleep. I see great efficacy data all of the time from people who don't sleep well. True good sleep comes from changing habits not data. I am a Sleep Technologist! Continue your search of the Apnea Tech as I am sure you will find the limited help that you require Banyon. <br/><br/><cite>Banyon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3qo8foc2d76u1" class="fn url">RockRpsgt</a> <span class="timestamp">21 hours ago</span></em></p>
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<div class="description" id="desc_2549090Comment196959"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em> However those numbers are good.</em></p>
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<p>They may be good enough for a sleep professional but not good enough for the patient. LOL.</p>
<p>Another example for you: The night showing AHI of 9.4. If he slept 7 hours that means he had about 65 events. What if all 65 of those events happened in a one hour period? That kind of therapy is totally unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>What if the 65 events were well distributed over the night but many of them were 90 seconds or longer? That is horrible therapy.</p>
<p><strong>Repeating my point, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;">cannot</span> accurately judge the effectiveness of Tom's therapy by summary data.</strong></p>
<p>The detail software report gives you more critical information that can many times be used to make large improvements in one's therapy and consequently quality of life.</p>
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</blockquote> Your leak rates are within a…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-12:2549090:Comment:1969792011-11-12T03:26:25.285ZRockRpsgthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/RockHinkle
<p>Your leak rates are within a normal range. Banyon is correct in that these numbers are just a summary. They do little to show any type of trends. <br></br><br></br><cite>Tom Cannon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br></br><br></br><cite>RockRpsgt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i will not argue against banyon on…</p>
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<p>Your leak rates are within a normal range. Banyon is correct in that these numbers are just a summary. They do little to show any type of trends. <br/><br/><cite>Tom Cannon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br/><br/><cite>RockRpsgt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i will not argue against banyon on the need for the software. However those numbers are good.</p>
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</blockquote> How long has he been on PAP?…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-12:2549090:Comment:1969782011-11-12T01:05:40.151ZRockRpsgthttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/RockHinkle
<p>How long has he been on PAP? What was his original AHI? Without those numbers you can't evaluate anything with any amount of data. Tom wanted to know what those numbers meant. Rather than giving an explanation you used it to push your agenda. Which by the way I support. ;)</p>
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<p>I stand behind my comment: Those numbers are good! Could they be better? Yes!</p>
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<p>How do you feel Tom?</p>
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<p>Unlike others I am not here to push an agenda. I am here to help. Making…</p>
<p>How long has he been on PAP? What was his original AHI? Without those numbers you can't evaluate anything with any amount of data. Tom wanted to know what those numbers meant. Rather than giving an explanation you used it to push your agenda. Which by the way I support. ;)</p>
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<p>I stand behind my comment: Those numbers are good! Could they be better? Yes!</p>
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<p>How do you feel Tom?</p>
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<p>Unlike others I am not here to push an agenda. I am here to help. Making tacky pokes at sleep professionals is one thing. Making them at someone who has done nothing but show support is another. I ask you once again to save them for those whom to deserve it. LOL!<br/><br/><cite>Banyon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3qo8foc2d76u1" class="fn url">RockRpsgt</a> <span class="timestamp">21 hours ago</span></em></p>
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<div class="description" id="desc_2549090Comment196959"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em> However those numbers are good.</em></p>
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<p>They may be good enough for a sleep professional but not good enough for the patient. LOL.</p>
<p>Another example for you: The night showing AHI of 9.4. If he slept 7 hours that means he had about 65 events. What if all 65 of those events happened in a one hour period? That kind of therapy is totally unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>What if the 65 events were well distributed over the night but many of them were 90 seconds or longer? That is horrible therapy.</p>
<p><strong>Repeating my point, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;">cannot</span> accurately judge the effectiveness of Tom's therapy by summary data.</strong></p>
<p>The detail software report gives you more critical information that can many times be used to make large improvements in one's therapy and consequently quality of life.</p>
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</blockquote> Tom, my ST A did not give AHI…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-11:2549090:Comment:1966062011-11-11T14:04:38.577ZMary Zhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/MaryZimlich
<p>Tom, my ST A did not give AHI and AI data. These were reported as 0.0, instead of "no data" which was very confusing. I knew that night after night I did not have a 0.0 AHI. I finally got an email from ResMed where they did confirm that the ST A US version did not report AI and AHI. For that machine I used the nine pin null modem cable to download data, not the ResScan cable.</p>
<p>I did see it written that AI and AHI were recorded, but it was not true for that…</p>
<p>Tom, my ST A did not give AHI and AI data. These were reported as 0.0, instead of "no data" which was very confusing. I knew that night after night I did not have a 0.0 AHI. I finally got an email from ResMed where they did confirm that the ST A US version did not report AI and AHI. For that machine I used the nine pin null modem cable to download data, not the ResScan cable.</p>
<p>I did see it written that AI and AHI were recorded, but it was not true for that machine.</p>
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<p>Welcome back, Tom.</p> Reply by Tom Cannon 11 hours…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-11:2549090:Comment:1970602011-11-11T13:40:06.372ZBanyonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/Banyon
<blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a class="fn url" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ozf0ira2pgmt">Tom Cannon</a> <span class="timestamp">11 hours ago</span></em></p>
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<p>Find the exact model of…</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ozf0ira2pgmt" class="fn url">Tom Cannon</a> <span class="timestamp">11 hours ago</span></em></p>
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<div class="description" id="desc_2549090Comment196600"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>I have a VPAP S and the Rescan software I have doesn't give me the granularity you speak of; I wish it did.</em></p>
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<p>Find the exact model of machine in the table in the link below and see if there is a check mark in the column ResScan Version 3.14. Let me know your findings.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.resmed.com/assets/documents/service_support/device_compatibility_guides/us_device_compatibility_guides/1014213r5_data-mgmt-com-list_amer_eng.pdf">http://www.resmed.com/assets/documents/service_support/device_compatibility_guides/us_device_compatibility_guides/1014213r5_data-mgmt-com-list_amer_eng.pdf</a></p> But I need an S9 to get that…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-11:2549090:Comment:1969692011-11-11T02:34:50.224ZTom Cannonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/TomCannon
<p>But I need an S9 to get that kind of data, yes?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Banyon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi?commentId=2549090%3AComment%3A197150&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2549090Comment197150"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a class="fn url" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3qo8foc2d76u1" rel="nofollow">RockRpsgt</a> <span class="timestamp">21 hours…</span></em></p>
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<p>But I need an S9 to get that kind of data, yes?<br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi?commentId=2549090%3AComment%3A197150&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2549090Comment197150"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em>Reply by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3qo8foc2d76u1" class="fn url">RockRpsgt</a> <span class="timestamp">21 hours ago</span></em></p>
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<div class="description" id="desc_2549090Comment196959"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p><em> However those numbers are good.</em></p>
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<p>They may be good enough for a sleep professional but not good enough for the patient. LOL.</p>
<p>Another example for you: The night showing AHI of 9.4. If he slept 7 hours that means he had about 65 events. What if all 65 of those events happened in a one hour period? That kind of therapy is totally unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>What if the 65 events were well distributed over the night but many of them were 90 seconds or longer? That is horrible therapy.</p>
<p><strong>Repeating my point, you <span style="text-decoration: underline;">cannot</span> accurately judge the effectiveness of Tom's therapy by summary data.</strong></p>
<p>The detail software report gives you more critical information that can many times be used to make large improvements in one's therapy and consequently quality of life.</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Mary, long time no see...…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-11:2549090:Comment:1971522011-11-11T02:15:08.281ZTom Cannonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/TomCannon
<p>Hi Mary, long time no see... Even with the cable I got from you I don't think the VPAP S will provide the kind of data that Rock and Banyon are referring to; would you concur with that assesment? Hope all is well with you, Tom<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Mary Z said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi#2549090Comment196595"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>AHI was still a little high on a couple of nights, but that just may take time to…</p>
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<p>Hi Mary, long time no see... Even with the cable I got from you I don't think the VPAP S will provide the kind of data that Rock and Banyon are referring to; would you concur with that assesment? Hope all is well with you, Tom<br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi#2549090Comment196595"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>AHI was still a little high on a couple of nights, but that just may take time to settle down. Leaks seem acceptable. I won't argue against the importance of software for more closely examining the issues. I gave up on using my software, however. For me the nightly data from the machine is sufficient. I am just not personally a CPAP geek (nothing implied here), I admire people intererested and involved in their therapy who take the trouble to use the software. I guess I am just lazy.</p>
<p>It is very interesting to see the physical evidence of how (in cliusters?) your apneas and hypopneas occurred and how long they lasted.</p>
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</blockquote> I'm not complaining about the…tag:www.sleepguide.com,2011-11-11:2549090:Comment:1971512011-11-11T02:12:23.075ZTom Cannonhttps://www.sleepguide.com/profile/TomCannon
<p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi#2549090Comment196959"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i will not argue against banyon on the need for the software. However those numbers are good.</p>
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<p>I'm not complaining about the numbers rather I suspect that Leakage and AHI are related some how.</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.<br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/mask-leakage-rate-and-ahi#2549090Comment196959"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i will not argue against banyon on the need for the software. However those numbers are good.</p>
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